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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The bottom line is this is all a continuation of the 1948 war that Israel did not start and is struggling to find a way to finish. While people decry their violence they could in reality do all those things to Palestine. I hope they don't but lots of people die in wars. There is not a damn thing new under the sun when it comes to that. And further more if Gaza had the whacking stick they would whack too. That to is the nature of war. There are no innocents past the age of 10 or so in any of this. They are all assholes.

Further moreif they did the worst  the world would get over it and do business with them. We still do business in the world and we dropped nukes on not one but two civilian cities in Japan. I would hope they  will come to a different solution, but don't delude yourself if they wipe every last man woman and child out  we will back them. We will back them  even if the mideast rises against them.

No protest here is going to make any difference. They are our toe hold in the mid east. We will not give that up. It has nothing to do with Israel and everything to do with China and Russia. Not everyone wants to be friends. Some leaders/nations just want to win. And that is something we can not afford to let them do. Not if people want to live in their McMansions and pretend they are conserving by driving a super cute little Prius to the airport to fly off on their yearly vacation.

We have shown no willingness to put our lifestyle on the line. If everyone here who was decrying the violence moved into a 800 square foot apartment, made their kids walk to the neighborhood school, dropped after school activities, ate a very different diet, stopped taking a vacation etc we would need the mid east less. That would put Israel in a weaker position. No one here is willing to alter their lifestyle to that extent. Until we are willing to get off the oil tit even if it hurts us the mid east will be what it will be.

Until we are willing to take a cold hard look at why we do what we do we will continue to have emotional thrashing without a pragmatic solution.

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Most of this is incoherent.  Israel is not critical to the US now either economically or for military purposes.  It is important because of cultural ties and the political sway that AIPAC has on US politics.

When Israel has sent over $100 billion in aid to the US, not vice versa, perhaps then you can opine as to how a change in our relationship will have any bearing on the homes and cars owned by Americans.  Until then, it's just another post asking Americans to butt out (but keep writing those big checks) because we don't live in as rough a neighborhood as Israel.  But Israel's treatment of the Palestinians is a major reason why that neighborhood is so rough.[/quote]

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