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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Muslima][quote=Anonymous][quote=Muslima][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The Palestinians are not the world's first dispossessed people, but they are the first to be asked to legitimize what happened to them.[/quote]

OMG, there is nothing unique about their situation. The only thing unique about it is that they cannot tolerate living with, beside or in another country -- Israel. Can you imagine if people behaved this way when Pakistan was created, or any of the other countries that were created or dissolved in just the last 100 years? It's a ridiculous argument.[/quote]

For the Pakistan situation to be equivalent, the British would have had to promise the same land to the Hindus and Pakistanis.  Then they would have had to divide the land up so that Muslims got half, and Hindus got half, despite the fact that Hindus outnumbered Muslims 10:1.  This would have required the displacement of about 390 million Hindus from their homes instead of the modest 7 million Hindus.

So even given the more equitable division of India, they still had four wars:  47, 65, 71 and 99.  They had decades of communal riots.  Mahatma Gahndi was assassinated, and so was Indira Gandhi.  Again to make the situation comparable today, India would be occupying Pakistan and Bangladesh.  They would strictly control the goods and people going into and out of these two countries.  And if Pakistanis did so much as throw rocks in protest, they would be considered terrorists.[/quote]

Why does it have to be equivalent to be relevant? The point is that borders are not set in stone. Countries have come and gone throughout history. Being displaced is nothing new. I don't know how anyone Americans can see it otherwise, since -- as I've said in other threads -- this country is built on the hard work of the displaced. Most people here have roots somewhere else, no?[/quote]

Does it make it right? We have to be better than History, we don't go around repeating slavery, segregation, holocaust, colonialism on the basis that that's how things were done before. We learn from our mistakes, we grow to be civilized people and once we know better we do better.  Occupation, Colonization, Holocaust, you name in, in all cases, they tend to work out badly for everyone involved, whether you get classed as 'us' or 'them'.[/quote]

You're missing my point -- [b]which is that the millions (countless really) of people throughout history who have been displaced and whose countries have been redefined under their feet have not resorted to endless terrorism and war as a response to that[/b]. But you are using it to justify violence against Israel that will never end, which in turn means the killing of innocent Palestinian civilians, including children. That is an insane response IMO.[/quote]
Are you sure about that? I don't know of any people/countries who just sat down peacefully, smiles on their faces accepting to be colonized/enslaved/occupied . That did not happen and i don't see that ever happening. History books describe in great details how those countries that you are talking about fought endlessly til one party gave up because they were not strong enough or there was outside pressure or maybe they found their morality somewhere along the way. [b]I dont see how the Palestinians are justifying violence since they are the victims here. In any case, one thing is for sure, Palestinians will fight till Palestine is free, Palestinians do not give up . The route to justice and freedom is paved by bravery, the blood of the people who fight for those ideals, and their memories.[/b] Today, most things are manufactured in China but courage is still manufactured in Palestine, and one day Ghaza will be free~ 
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This is the problem right here. Don't complain about Palestinian blood being shed when you think it is such a badge of honor. I don't see Palestinians as victims -- i see them as provoking Israel again and again, then complaining that Israel metes out more damage than they do. Why is that a surprise? Why would you wage war against a foe that is so much stronger than you and then act like it's not fair that they win? That is not common sense and it's not good leadership, either.

You will never win with the tactics you use. Never. Israel is bigger and stronger, and has strategic allies in the world. If you want to change your lives, look to South Africa for a role model.[/quote]

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