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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]21:15 - what you still fail to understand is that as long as there is a critical mass of people who grew up in that paradigm of abuse and family violence, community violence, absent parents, or parents with problems (drug addiction, mental health) - that modeling will never happen, and in fact will carry over to those who didn't grow up with it.

"Normal" is a function of critical mass.  In a 99% FARMS school, "normal" means dysfunction, abuse, violence, et cetera.  Putting 20% high-SES students into a 99% FARMS school will not solve anything for the FARMS students, and will probably only impose negative modeling on the high-SES students.

The only way it will work is to change those numbers around, to where it's less than 20% who came up from those broken and dysfunctional homes, and where the critical mass is instead on those who can provide that positive modeling.  And even then, it can be challenging, as groups will be likely to self-segregate.

Magical thinking about modeling simply won't cut it.  [/quote]

I'm the PP you're addressing - what "magical thinking about modeling" are you referring to?  My post was solely in response to the "When will these failing students and their parents wake up and take responsibility" statements.  I made no comment on how to fix it.  What magical thinking are you talking about??[/quote]

Funny, since your entire second paragraph was all about the lack of positive modeling, PP.[/quote]

Even funnier that you missed that it's all about how parents and other stable adults in a child's life model it, NOT modelling it in school.  Also about the difficulty of "figuring out for yourself" these things without modelling.  Again though, NOT talking about modelling in a school.  You missed that before, do you get it now?  So please save your snark, there is nothing "magical" about saying that breaking cycles of generational abuse, neglect, educational failure, and untreated mental illness almost always require interventions and supports from OUTSIDE the family.  Also nothing magical about understanding that making the difference in a single child's life who is growing up in these circumstances almost always requires at least one healthy, stable adult modelling - yes, I said MODELLING - how to handle their choices and and how to maintain a vision for where they are trying to get their lives too while every moment of every day they are surrounded with a different reality and overwhelming different modelling.

You missed that that was what I was saying before.  Do you get it now?  It's not magical, it's basically one of the basic tenets of social work and what no respectable social scientist would dispute.[/quote]

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