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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Isn't the secret just a lot of expectation? The parents expect the kids do well in school and the kids don't want to disappoint, so they do well; that continues from grade school through HS to college to prof school. When I see highly successful communities (as a whole - of course not everyone in any community can be a MD/JD/MBA), I always assume that growing up it isn't about self esteem or "an A for effort" -- it is about results. Not sure why this would be different for Jewish vs. Asian vs. anyone else.[/quote]

well no it can't be just lots of expectation...there has to be innate talent and ability as well.

otherwise just because i have high expectations for my son and daughter, they won't automatically turn into the next mickey mantle and steffi graf respectively. [/quote]

That may be true for sports, but not as much for academics I think. Does it take a lot of innate ability to be getting straight A's in middle school? Sometimes it's just about doing the work. From what I have seen some parents just "demand" such grades, and the kids figure out a way to produce or else they know there will be a lot of lecturing and not a lot of hanging out at home; some kids can do homework on the bus and still produce those grades, while others realize they can't and spend hours and hours studying.[/quote]

k that's moving the goal posts....i'm not talking about middle school.

the academic equivalent to what i said would be getting into prestigious residencies, or that full time offer at Wachtell/Susman/Keker, tenure track math/physics position requires humongous amounts of innate talent. [/quote]

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