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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=takoma]The legal concept of a hate crime was created to protect oppressed minorities.   This murder may well have stemmed from racial hatred, but there is an imbalance between the status of whites in America and the status of blacks.  It would be a terrible crime if a group of black men lynched a white man, but as a matter of historic fact, that is not something that has happened repeatedly, while white lynchings of blacks were once common in parts of the country.

I have no problem with these kids being prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.  But it seems to me that bringing up hate crimes does lttle more than say that the hundreds of lynchings and other crimes against blacks over the years (or beatings and killings of gays) are somehow less horrible because blacks kill whites also.

All killings are bad, but certain types are a much greater problem in our society.  Not that one killing is a greater sin than another, just that certain types are a quantitatively greater problem and merit specific legal remedies.[/quote]

If you think that "hate crimes" are "a quantitatively greater problem" than standard issue street crime, you might want to refresh your study of crime statistics.  Points for honesty, though, most people at least try to pretend that "hate crimes" are a neutral concept, instead of what they are, which is a very definite and left-wing political point of view written into the criminal law.  [/quote]

I believe the allegation by the above poster was that it was right wingers do the lynching. 
[b]That's only left leaning because[b] [i]lynchings are a right wing activity[/b].[/i][b] [/b][/quote]

A few facts for you:

-The Republican Party was founded primarily to oppose slavery, and Republicans eventually abolished slavery. The Democratic Party fought them and tried to maintain and expand slavery.

-During the Civil War era, the "Radical Republicans" were given that name because they wanted to not only end slavery but also to endow the freed slaves with full citizenship, equality, and rights.

-The Ku Klux Klan was originally and primarily an arm of the Southern Democratic Party, and its mission was to terrorize freed slaves and Republicans who sympathized with them.

-In the 1950s, President Eisenhower, a Republican, integrated the US military and promoted civil rights for minorities. Eisenhower pushed through the Civil Rights Act of 1957. One of Eisenhower's primary political opponents on civil rights prior to 1957 was none other than Lyndon Johnson, then the Democratic Senate Majority Leader. LBJ had voted the straight segregationist line until he changed his position and supported the 1957 Act.

-The historic Civil Rights Act of 1964 was supported by a higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats in both houses of Congress. In the House, 80 percent of the Republicans and 63 percent of the Democrats voted in favor. In the Senate, 82 percent of the Republicans and 69 percent of the Democrats voted for it.

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OMG if we have to go through the split of the Dixiecrats and the Southern Strategy one more time, I'm going to puke.  The party took in the southern racists in the 50's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixiecrat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

Which just goes to show that conservatives can change, but unfortunately not always for the better.[/quote]

I believe the pp above was saying that it was right wingers doing the lynching which was hardly the truth. That's my point!

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You are confusing "Democrat" with "Liberal".  Democrats were full of right wingers in the South, because none of them wanted to be Republicans.  Because of Lincoln and the War.[/quote]

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