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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Common sense is not that common and once can not argue with ignorance. Muslim woman here speaking. To the poster who keeps saying that child marriage is common in Islam, i will stop you right there: stop spreading fallacies. Child marriage is not a part of marriage nor is it part of the Sunnah, go and learn what sunnah is about before you start debating/talking about Sunnah . I was raised in a muslim family, have lived in muslim countries and i have yet to meet a Muslim man who was married to a child :roll: . I have learned of cases, but is that the norm? No, just like you hear of cases of child marriage in the US, you will hear cases of child marriage in Muslim communities as well. That has nothing to do with Islam, it is strictly cultural and traditional to those people who tend to practice it and even of the cases I've ever heard of in modern history, the "child" was a teen, not a toddler. The other thing to note, is most of those marriages do happen in tribal communities and usually just because the marriage is done doesn't mean it is consummated, tribe members will marry their kids but still have them in the household till they reach puberty at which point, they go to the husband's house. This practice can be problematic and is in the eyes of Islam because it is strictly forbidden to marry a woman against her will and that is actually one of the questions asked by the Imam when you get married, he will ask you as a woman if you fully consent and agree to the marriage contract without being coerced by anyone. A forced marriage is not recognized by Islam, is it still practiced by some people? Yes, just like murder is not accepted by any religion but people of all faith still go and kill people. :roll: i also read someone say that after divorce the only recourse of a muslim woman is to go back to her father's house. Again, stop spreading things that you do not know about, just because you read a book or studied next to XYZ, yadidyada doesn't make you the expert on this or even remotely know what you are talking about. Case in point, I am a muslim woman, a Divorced Muslim woman at that and no I never went back to my daddy's house, I live alone. So let me break it down to you so you will get it a bit, a muslim woman has the OPTION not the OBLIGATION ( know the difference?) to go back to her father's house if she is divorced and the father has the OBLIGATION to take her in if she chooses to do so, you know like those options they sell in the stock market :) why? This was done to protect women, so they will never have to resort to prostitution or homelessness just because they are divorced or single mothers. A muslim woman always has the choice to go back to her parents house and they will have to take care of her if she can't do it on her own. Now as far as the beloved prophet Muhammad SAW's marriage to Aisha (one of the favorite topics of the critics and haters of Islam :) ) You have ignored every explanation that Jeff provided as far as context and the time that marriage took place. Did you know that American reformers were shocked to discover that the laws of most states set the age of consent at the age of ten or twelve, and in Delaware, the age of consent was only seven? Now during the Prophet saw's time it was a NORM to be married at a young age. This is why the people of Quraish and other Arabian tribes at Prophet's time found absolutely no fault in their marriage. They detested Islam, they did everything to belittle the Prophet, tried to prevent Islam from spreading and even attempted to kill the Prophet! However, they raised no objection to the marriage of the Prophet to Aisha since at those times such a thing was not considered 'immoral'. It ought also be noted that Aisha was engaged to Jubayr before Prophet Muhammed saw. This indicates the age of marriage and engagement in Prophet' saw's time. However, the engagement was later nullified by Jubayr's parents due to Abu Bakr (Aisha's dad) embracing Islam.Thus the history demonstrates that the age of the marriage was lower and relative to olden times, the marriage of the Prophet was not abnormal and there was nothing immoral about it. It was a norm at biblical times to be wedded at puberty or earlier, the age of consent one century ago in a 'modern country' was as low as 10 or 12, even 7 in Delaware! Even in our times, in certain societies, the age of consent is as low as 12 or 13. In the light of historical evidences, the marriage cannot be criticized. So Have at it!!! And to believe that Muslims are IDIOTS who will go around and marry 6 year old because of this makes you sound not so smart and I am trying to be nice here. I find it quite insulting that you think Muslims run around and jjust copy everything without using their BRAINS, we do know the difference between context, history and the present. The prophet saw did not use cars at this time so I guess since we Muslims take him as a role model we should all mount our camels and ride around, because you know we MODEL EVERYTHING he did :roll: And please stop talking for Muslim Women, you know nothing about our plight or what we go through, You are not my voice, do not Speak for me, you do not represent me! I have a Voice and yeh if i were abused like you tend to believe, I think I would use it. Muslim, Woman!!! [/quote] The argument that other peoples used to allow child marriage isn't very convincing. If Delaware or Christianity allowed patricide, we still wouldn't find patricide acceptable. We need to make every belief system stand on its own, without regard to whatever Delaware or somebody else used to do. The question is, is child marriage, or isn't it, supported by religious scripture or tradition? [/quote] I think you can figure that one for yourself since nothing else can convince you, so you go ahead and believe whatever makes sense to you. I love debating with intelligent people who are logical in their thought process, debating just for the sake of debating is not my kind of fun and is a total waste of my neurons, so enjoy your Saturday :) Muslim Woman.[/quote]
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