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This is a tortured logic that is based upon some really interesting hermaneutics.  You ignore the entire context of the conversation between Jesus and Peter.  The context is that Peter has just professed that Jesus is the son of God.  Jesus then gives him a huge compliment indicating that Peter's confession of this was a divinely inspired gift from God.  That is the context.  Jesus is talking about Peter, the man, and is praising his confession.  If he is not building his Church upon that individual man, then why would he speak of giving him the keys to the kingdom?  What could that language possibly mean if that sentence is not connected to the earlier conversation about Peter's confession?

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I have been reading this back and forth and it is very interesting to me.  To the person who started it--and I think posted the last response--I don't understand your intent.  You seem to say "I mean no offense to everyone on here who isn't catholic but now let me start to offend you."  Go ahead and be Catholic and enjoy it but keep in mind this is a posting about a person who has left your faith and is looking for a new way to explore his/her relationship with God.  Catholicism is not the only faith.  Jesus didn't create the Pope, Cardinals, Jesuits, Rosary Beads, etc. so please simmer down with your sanctimonious attitude that the Catholic Church was first and therefore is the only legitimate Church.  Like ALL faiths, it is chock full of trappings and ritual that helps to emphasize and teach but many of its customs came into being way after Jesus.  [/quote]

I'm the PP who posted the last response and several others in this thread.  My intent is to explain Catholicism as best I can.  I don't mean to be sanctimonious and if it comes accross that way, consider this my apology to you for that tone.  I think it is the limits of the written word on a message board.  I think if you heard me in a spoken conversation, you likely would not take away that I am sanctimonious (at least I hope you wouldn't).

I do admit that I find some irritation in those who state that they disagree with the teaching of the Church on topic "X" and then misstate those teachings.  I have said in other threads that I think all people have a potential path to salvation.  That is not reserved solely for Catholics, or for Christians of other denominations.  I consider myself to be a very "ecuminical" person.

Now to your criticisms, or statements about Catholicism;that Jesus did not create Pope, the Cardinals, etc.  Catholics are quite convinced, based on scripture (can give you the cites if you wish) that Jesus founded a church.  That he put men in charge of this church.  That he promised the Holy Spirit would guide this church (this does not mean the Church has not had some really awful leaders at very points, but that is a digression).  As such, we believe in the authority of this Church to teach on matters of faith and morals.  Because we believe in that authority, we believe that the Church had and has the ability to do things such as name the Bishop of Rome "the Pope" and have all the other Bishops defer to him.  We believe that this authority allowed the men of the early Church to set the canon of scripture.  Because we believe in the authority of the Church to teach on matters of faith and morals, many other things follow from that.  The fact that many rituals and things came into place after Jesus' ressurrection is kinda meaningless to most Catholics.  We believe the Church is apostolic and that the men who lead it now derived their authority from their predecessors going back to the twelve apostles.

Once the reformation occurred (and I am a catholic who is certain the Church needed reforming at that time) and the authority of the Church was denied, then all bets are off.  Once this authority was denied it set the stage for the endless number of Christian denominations we have today.  I think that is a shame and I pray for Christian unity.  So, I hope you think I'm simmered down.  I enjoy discussions about faith, theology, scripture, and religion.  I am devout in my own beliefs.  If I was not firmly convinced of them, I'd go find another denomination.

I hope you have a great day.  [/quote]

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