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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous] PP, much food for thought. I actually believe the truth about God is found everywhere, in varying degrees. But Jesus did establish his Church, with Peter as its head. ("You are Peter and upon this rock I will build [b]my church."[/b]) He gave him the key, authority. And he promised the gates of hell would not prevail against his Church. And Jesus was explicit about transubstantiation. So much so, that most of his followers walked away in shock. Jesus asked Peter if he, too, would leave over this hard teaching. Peter replied, "To whom should we go? You have the words of eternal life." Lastly, the Anglican communion differs in more ways than transubstantiation, from what I understand. What creed do you say at your services? I honestly don't know.[/quote] Jesus may not have established his Church with Peter as head. A reconstructed Aramaic/Syriac of the passage would properly be: "You are KE'PHA' (a movable stone) and upon this SHU`A' (a large massive rock) I will build my church." This is in exact correspondence to the original inspired Greek text: "You are PETROS (a movable stone) and upon this PETRA (a large massive rock) I will build my church." Translated correctly, the rock is either Peter's confession of Christ, or Christ Himself, in Peter's answer to Jesus' earlier question "Who do men say that I the Son of man am?" Peter is NOT the Rock. If you think about it, why would the Son of God and Son of Man give one man the key? It makes much more sense, given all other scripture, that the Church teaches that the path to salvation is through Christ, not through Church. You also need to look at the origins of the word Church. It was also mis-translated and misused along the way. The Greek wording is not what we consider "Churhc", but "pertaining to the Lord" or "belonging to the Lord." Therefore, Jesus did not establish a Church by our modern interpretation of the word. If you read all of John 6, the entire passage makes the picture clearer. "35 Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. 37 All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.” 41 At this the Jews there began to grumble about him because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven.” 42 They said, “Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, ‘I came down from heaven’?” - Many turned away because they still did not accept that Jesus was Son of God. Anglicans use the Nicene creed, with minor differences to American English Roman Catholic version, none which changes tenants of faith. We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen. We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one Being with the Father. Through him all things were made. For us and for our salvation he came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary, and was made man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered death and was buried. On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end. We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets. We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen. [/quote] This is a tortured logic that is based upon some really interesting hermaneutics. You ignore the entire context of the conversation between Jesus and Peter. The context is that Peter has just professed that Jesus is the son of God. Jesus then gives him a huge compliment indicating that Peter's confession of this was a divinely inspired gift from God. That is the context. Jesus is talking about Peter, the man, and is praising his confession. If he is not building his Church upon that individual man, then why would he speak of giving him the keys to the kingdom? What could that language possibly mean if that sentence is not connected to the earlier conversation about Peter's confession? [/quote]
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