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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]How do we get elementary AAP centers at every school Like they are doing with middle schools?[/quote]

They're already doing Local Level IV, it's supposed to be at every elementary by now[/quote]
LLIV quality, implementation and enrollment varies between schools. So not exactly the same experience that centers offer. Our LLIV program does a cluster model with less than 10% of the kids being Level IV. Our center school offers a better experience. Some LLIV programs are more robust. [/quote]

Totally agree, I was just responding to the PP who asked to get AAP centers at every school - and that's basically what LLIV is. Unfortunately you can't often replicate the "center" experience b/c there just aren't enough kids to form a large enough cohort at most elementary schools - which is *why* they need centers.[/quote]

I bet the level 3 kids could round out those classes quite well.  I bet that some of the level 3 kids will even outperform the committee designated level 4 kids.
My son had a friend who was getting not just passed advanced, but perfect scores on his sols as a level 3, and still couldn't convince the committee to put him in level 4
I'm quite sure that your level 4 experience would not have been sullied by having kids like him in the classroom [/quote]
DP. Some schools have enough level 4 and level 3 kids to make a class. Many schools do not. Some schools do a cluster model instead of a dedicated class. The point is many schools are not setup to offer a true full time AAP experience. But some schools are.[/quote]

Meanwhile the level 3 kid with perfect sols got to hang out in a class where a quarter of the kids were below grade level and kids who were getting pulled out for remediation in math were getting the level 4 experience [/quote]
I’m sure this does happen but I would guess it’s the unfortunate rare case. Also knowing nothing about these two kids and what was in their submission packets, it’s hard to say what made one eligible vs the other. This would probably be a good case for the level 3 kid to appeal.[/quote]
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My understanding is that the kid applied every year and never got in and is now taking honors in middle school.[/b]

I don't think it's quite as rare as you think, but it makes people feel better to think so. I know of several level 4 kids who struggle with the math, and/ or who even struggled with math before they were selected and basically got tutored to look better at math than they probably are.  I know of several level 3 kids who needed advanced math but were told too bad we don't have room for you. [/quote]

This is my kid (except in 6th grade now, but going to take all Honors next year).

I can also confirm the math stuff. My 6th grader (who keeps getting rejected from AAP) gets pushed into the LLIV class for advanced math (and has since 4th grade) and has said that a lot of the other kids struggle (and I know for a fact that many of them have tutors because their parents have asked me for the tutor we use for my older child). [/quote]
What is your kid missing out on? It would be a different story if he wasn't able to join the LLIV math class, but he is able to, so what's the loss?[/quote]

AAP parents would tell you that the loss is the peer group but now that my child is set to take Algebra next year, you’re absolutely right, it no longer matters. I’m told Honors and AAP in our middle school is basically the same curriculum. [/quote]

We'll, my gen ed kid has definitely lost their peer group.  Explain to me how every kid they've ever befriended at school needs to be in a special environment that doesn't include my kid.  Odds are they are academic peers with at least some of them.  Actually, after hearing some of the other kids struggles, my kid may be even stronger academically than some of them.  My kid will have the pleasure of being excluded from their peer group by the systems in place.  
It's one thing when friendships dissolve naturally.  It's a completely different thing when the parents start icing out your kid because they'll never be in the same class together again.  
But, then again, they are doing me the favor of showing me their true colors sooner than later.[/quote]

I never iced anyone my kid wanted to be friends with. But I didn't go out of my way to keep cultivating a friend that was no longer in my kid's class (who never went to a center) because I saw that his friendships naturally flowed toward the kids he saw more often. There was literally 1 kid from ES that he stayed friends with for a few years even though they weren't in class together but only because they were besties in K and really loved hanging still. The rest ebbed and flowed depending on classes a lot. [/quote]

It's harder because base school is a center, so we get to watch everyone move as a group as we hang out outside it[/quote]

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