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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Pomona has impressive outcomes for the top students and mediocre outcomes for the lower tier students who coast by and don't take it seriously. The school has massive grade inflation and a significant number of their enrolled students are diversity tokens that are not competitive overall (no testing submitted, poor AP scores, etc). These are students who get rejected from mid-tier UCs like Irvine and Santa Barbara but somehow into Pomona. Not to mention a significant number of Questbridge and Posse students who don't have the level of preparation that their smartest students do, both in academics and for career prospects. So overall, Pomona outcomes are very lopsided and dependent on the student.

Everyone at CMC does well in terms of outcomes. The school openly looks for people who are ambitious and determined. It's a preprofessional school and almost everyone talks about preparing for the job market all throughout. Amazing internship programs, 9 research institutes, numerous consulting and finance oriented clubs, and applied classes make their students extremely qualified.

I would strongly recommend CMC. With the rankings shift toward outcomes, CMC is tied or above Pomona in virtually every ranking now. CMC is the one that is looking to take the liberal arts colleges to the future. Pomona will be left behind. [/quote]

This is such an insanely biased comment. Half of the men at CMC are athletic recruits and few submit SAT scores. (You can look up the number of male students playing varsity sports vs how many actual students are there, and then look up the rosters of the indiv sports to see that CMC fields 80-90% of the Mudd-Scripps-CMC joint sports teams. The women's teams do have Scripps contributing as it's an all female school. Mudd is primarily student vs. athlete.) CMC males are hardly the academic best and brightest like Pomona. They are primarily Econ bros and Govt bros who want to go into finance or consulting.

Pomona is a bastion of learning in contrast. The students are very bright, like Mudd. They also are collaborative and civic-minded and curious about many topics, not just making money.

Notice the difference in tours. CMC trains (and pays) their tour guides to deliver a script with pre-approved talking points. Pomona guides are not restricted from saying anything that's not authentic and it's ok for them to share downsides, at CMC they are not allowed to say anything wrong with the school. They are very scripted and polished.

I live in CA and have a lot of intel, and experience, close friends and family who go to or are alums at or who taught at the 5Cs.[/quote]

Pomona USED TO BE a bastion of learning. It USED to uniformly have bright, curious kids.

Ever since the school shifted to test optional, the qualifications of the student body have dropped considerably. Ever since the school shifted from President Oxtoby to President Starr, the amount of administrative staff have gone up dramatically while the spending on students and faculty have remained stagnant or shrunk. The school went from having a semi-high median GPA in 2015 (3.55) to an absurdly high median GPA now (3.8+) while the students themselves are becoming increasingly less academically qualified with each entering class.

The admissions office cares more about taking people who can write "diverse" narratives than actually strong students. That doesn't have to be mutually exclusive, but it's something their office does emphasize, which results in exceptionally qualified applicants getting rejected if they don't tug at the heart strings of the adcom somehow. Said students get into Ivies, Williams, Amherst, etc. no problem but somehow Pomona is too good for them. On the other hand, you have objectively mediocre kids who have a well-written application and somehow that's enough to get in to a top 10 liberal arts college! Those kids get into no other reaches because other colleges see through the farce by actually reviewing academic credentials. Meanwhile, Pomona gives many of them full rides and basically pampers them throughout the experience. A colossal waste of money, but I guess it doesn't matter because of how high their endowment is. Said students are often overindulgent, unappreciative, and politically disruptive. They want to get their two seconds of fame, but haven't done anything of serious note at the college, which is a shame because it actually offers so many opportunities and resources.

Claremont McKenna packs loans even for the lowest income student because it wants them to understand the gravity and privilege of attending a school of such a caliber. Their students are required to be prudent and thoughtful about maximizing the value of their experience. And as such, they are extremely qualified and they shine for professional endeavors.

Pomona can try to cater to the woke train all they want, but employers and grad schools can see the discrepancy of their students. It's a school going downhill, fast. 
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