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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]"Are more women finally making the connection between the beauty industries emphasis on anti-aging products and the pedophilic nature of patriarchy? has it finally hit you that your obsession with not looking "old" caters to the predatory male gaze?"

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Agree. Patriarchy, rape culture, pedophile culture. It's the world we live in and informs everything. Religion, politics, media, advertising. And it's almost impossible to grasp the extent.  Naming it is a start. Workplace sexual harassment and date rape were concepts that didn't exist 50 years ago. Once we named it we could start to fight back.

The beauty industry encourages eating disorders and body modification. I support individuals expressing themselves however they choose. [b]It's impossible for me to judge how much of what we do is truly an individual decision, and not due to social conditioning.[/b]

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I am not sure why there is this resistance to the idea that beauty/ grooming standards are socially constructed. Sure, there may be some activities--manicure, styling an outfit, massage--that may entail some [i]inherent [/i]physical or creative pleasure. But the vast majority--hair dye, waxing, plucking--are painful and/or involve expense. Of course, we only do this for social sanction.[/quote]

Of course they’re socially constructed.  Every generation has their own beauty rituals going back for centuries.

One thing I’ll add, and it’s true with me, my friends and my daughters as well—females dress and look good not for men but for the other females in their life.

It’s females who notice how you look. It’s females who notice your hair, whether you’ve lost or gained weight, your nails, your skin clarity, your new lipstick shade, your new clothing. They are the ones who will comment, complement, criticize and so on.

Most men are not particularly observant and are simple creatures.

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It's true that men don't notice details, but they do notice the package.

I also think it's true that some women do things for other women (even though they say it's for themselves) because honestly, men don't give a shite about your decorated press on nails. Women do these things because other women are doing it, and they are following the trend and don't want to be left out.

My niece has never given a dam* about looking pretty for others.  She never follows any trends.  She has never done her nails, nor does she wear any makeup.  Yes, she has a bf and a good paying job.[/quote]

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