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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]A lot of people understand that its better for society to have an aim to do good to themselves and others and to have some discipline to get there.  They see Jesus or God as a type of positive energy they want to harness and give off themselves.

I think the reason the atheist turned Christian on here is doing better is that they are focused on doing good now rather than rebelling. Whatever works. They've matured enough to have some discipline and some care for others. It doesnt really matter the path. Whether you are an athiest or religious, if you are on the path to being a positive force in the world, you will be healthier than anyone not on that path. [/quote]

Here’s the problem with this line of thought —

If all that ever happened was one day milllions of years ago a fish found itself on the land and we have been evolving ever since — and at some point all of us will die to nothingness, the whole world is going to burn up and explode, and waste away — then nothing really matters.   Nothing.

It doesn’t matter if you are a good person or a bad person or live a good life or a bad life.

It certainly doesn’t matter if you try to help people.

It doesn’t matter if there is justice.

Love doesn’t really exist — it is purely a function of your brain playing a complex trick on itsel to get sex, affectionate, or as a way to repay your parents for protecting you.

What we see in the White House every day now is a perfect encapsulation of that world view.   Donald Trump is an atheist at his core and the way he acts and comports himself is a reflection of a world without Christianity or God.   It is the most significant irony ever that some of his strongest supporters are Christians and strongest detractors are atheists when in fact his true worldview is more aligned with an atheist understanding of the world.  It’s all about him and why not?  If we came from fishes and the sun is going to burn us all someday, there is no moral obligation to treat anyone with kindness, love, or empathy.   Make it all about yourself.   Why not?

Despite all the atheists who post on this board — the number of people who actually truly believe that are very small.  A lot of people reject religion but still want all of the social goods that religion produces.   So they live with a certain cognitive dissonance that they cannot fully explain.  Richard Dawkins even admitted this not too long ago.  He’s an atheist who wants to live in a Christian society.  Why?

Of course, that begs the question — if your worldview is actually unliveable and intellectually dishonest, then maybe you should reconsider your worldview?    [/quote]

It sounds like you're saying that life only makes sense if a guy 2000+ years ago died for our sins.  Talk about sick.[/quote]

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