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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I still don’t get it—if their universities are better than ours, why are their students so desperate to get into U.S. colleges, even to the point of cheating? That just doesn’t add up.

And ironically 2024-2025 we see surge in international students in US colleges even with Trump administration.[/quote]

1. Very difficult to get into top universities in China.

2. Cachet/prestige from studying abroad is a significant advantage in gaining employment in China.

3. Many want opportunity to emigrate to US and college is an initial step in that process.

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Okay, but if their economy is supposedly doing better than the U.S., at least according to the media, I don’t get why they’d want to come here at all—given the current economic mess and high unemployment and underemployment for American NGs. Same with Indian students. Why?[/quote]

Our salaries are much higher for the same difficulty of job.  They can send some home to family and the purchasing power is pretty good.  Also some Asian employers have longer workdays and more than 5 days per week as a basic schedule.

Also, having known people from these countries, many of them appreciate our freedom of mobility (even car-centric culture), our relatively nice and large residences (apartments to houses), our less grindy and more socially mobile schools, some freedom from political fear, clean air in our cities, less openly-visible poverty, etc.  Also the US still has cutting edge technology and businesses of great interest (Silicon Valley, etc.).

I work with many STEM immigrants who have become citizens or have other legal arrangements.  None of them would prefer to leave the US to go "home".  They are fairly assimilated since most came during grad school.  Their children are born here and usually don't have firm ties to their parents' birth countries except for visiting relatives on vacation.[/quote]

Okay, but this is where things feel contradictory to me. On one hand, the media on both sides talks about how strong China has become—and to be fair, some of that is true. The infrastructure and industrial growth there are clearly outpacing many developed countries, and at the same time, U.S. companies are still rushing to outsource jobs overseas.

But if China is really doing that well, why do so many people still try to come here for anchor babies, or send their kids to the U.S. for education? And meanwhile on DCUM, people constantly virtue-signal about how merit-based U.S. college admissions supposedly are compared to ours.

So what’s the real story here? If China is so strong and the system works so well, why is there still such a strong pull toward the U.S.? Is the media exaggerating, or are people’s actions telling a different truth?[/quote]

In China there are only like 100 universities that are any good…beyond that it’s literally the equivalent of mail order diplomas.  India is basically the same way.

These Chinese colleges enroll like 2 MM students, but there are like 72 MM Chinese from 18-21…assuming 10% go to college, that still leaves 5MM students that need to go somewhere.[/quote]

Well, in the U.S. there’s probably an oversupply of bachelor’s degrees too—especially now that companies are laying off full-time workers, ramping up outsourcing, and leaning more on AI. It feels like we’re just moving the same social problem or wealth distribution problems from one country to another, while universities are more than happy to take full-pay students. At this point, America is basically exporting education as a service industry. And it sounds even worse if prestigious schools are willing to admit students who cheated.[/quote]

Hey, look at all the BS "certificates" in Global Energy PMP or non-profit fundraising being marketed by Ivies and their peers. It's embarrassing. There was actually a little mention about this in my Ivy alumni magazine about the Provosts debating whether a certificate in Finance Management from their open to everyone program would dilute the value of the MBA from their official business school and dilute the school's brand in general. It's a balance between trying to maintain their dignity and using their prestige to lure cash in.[/quote]

Saw MIT’s online AI exec program on YouTube… so futuristic, so executive  :wink: [/quote]

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