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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]You don't have to be estranged to not see relatives for the holidays. We haven't for decades. It's always been the six of us and now 10 with spouses and grandchildren. We simply live to far away from my kids' grandparents and our siblings.

However, my estrangement from my narcissistic mother started in February and I've had peace in my life since. I should have done it years earlier, the moment she demanded loyalty from me to not have a relationship with my dad, who she divorced 50 years ago. I'll never allow that to happen in a personal relationship again.

Why people (including me) put up with this kind of thing for years because "family" is beyond me.

It's not a trend. It's an awakening.[/quote]

The "awakening" thing is kind of spot on. I guess it's why there is so much hatred from one side for anything that looks "awakened" or "woke"

People aren't bad because they are gay. People aren't this way or that way as a group for being a different race and they aren't trying to change you or your kids.

The big book says honor thy father and thy mother ... that's just a wildly nebulous power structure edict regardless of whether your mother or father actually honor or ever honored you. I'm not going to "honor" my father if he liked to use the one bathroom we had in the house exactly when I was taking a shower and sit there on the throne reading a reader's digest until I tried to get out of the shower.

I just about got out of there 30+ years ago and never looked back. 
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