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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]According to disability rights advocates she’s making a lifestyle choice. As long as she’s not suicidal or homicidal she can’t be committed in most states. Most folks like this are kept in American jails. 10 times as many people with serious mental illness are in jails rather than hospitals today.

Realistically she’d be under court ordered treatment for whatever it is. It’s a huge human tragedy.[/quote]
I’m not sure how they argued someone not of sound mind is making a lifestyle choice.  Awful to hear. [/quote]

It really doesn't logically make sense but disability rights advocates I suppose fear that involuntary commitment will be worse. They reason some (or most) insane asylums were places where a lot of abuses happened so no one should be forced to take medication or be committed against their will. It is awful to see women in this condition who are so out of it they are probably being repeatedly sexually assaulted on the streets.

So the only thing the disability advocates lobby for is free housing no strings attached and voluntary out patient care. But if you are too mentally ill to realize you need care then how are you supposed to go seek care?

So the answer is you do nothing because nothing ends up being done if anyone actually responds. [/quote]
The answer here would be to improve mental health facilities and have strict regulations for them. Not allow people to rot on the streets because they’re too mentally ill to access any help. [/quote]

Strangely enough part of the issue is as someone mentioned disability rights. Under many circumstances those who are mentally ill can refuse help and you can only do forced help for limited time. That person could even have a family who did everything they could legally. [/quote]

There are an infinite actions between not caring and having a person put in a facility... you know, right?

If we cared we would have them under care, not a mental hospital, where someone helped people we are dysregulated and can't manage normal tasks.  We would check on them daily, help them with showers, make sure they take medication, make sure they ate. But that's expensive and not covered by health insurance. [/quote]

Posting again to say they have the right to refuse to allow anyone to know their medical issues and refuse any care you offer. I encourage you to get involved with your local homeless shelter to start to learn about these issues. You sould well-meaning, but incredibly naive about the reality and how this works legally.[/quote]

I already do and I’m not incredibly naïve about realities.

You talk about the homeless people, but many of them have homes. Especially the vets. They have homes and families and healthcare. But they can be disorganized, lose their prescription, lose track of when they received their checks and if they got deposited correctly, where to pick up their medication.

There’s a podcast called fixable where they did a study in three cities to stop homelessness among vets. It’s not that there is a solution. It’s just that we don’t want to implement it.

I’m not saying 100% of people are going to accept care. But a large percentage will.[/quote]

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