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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]If I asked AI to calculate the ratio to rule out the hooked admit:
* Athletic recruit
* Legacy or donation
* Academically compromised groups
* Consultant polished, packaged, fake spikes

It leaves 25% of the student body. Does this sound about right? Do we have higher ratio in public universities than private?
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Based on two kids at different ivy/T10:

They are Stem kids, engineering &/or premed with science major, one is both, in case those interest areas are less likely for athletic recruits and less qualified other hooks. About 67-75% of student body in their classes seems to be 1500+ kids who are engaged in learning, participate in discussions, work hard on labs. The rest it is sometimes surprising how they got in, some are hooked and some are not--some are definitely over-pushed by snowplow parents who moved all barriers out of the way. These are by far the minority and it is honestly sad: they are in ivies yet have no chance of being above the median, extra time in the world does not help for rigorous stem classes. 
The ones who are well below the median and get called in by professors to meet or consider withdraw-pass tend to be hooked kids, though that is not always known.
Maybe different for easier majors that hooked kids most likely have? The famous/rich donor types and recruited athletes known through clubs or general-distribution humanities courses all seem to have known "easier" majors, urban studies, sociology, etc. Some are highly engaged. Some do not belong at the school academically.

SLACs with higher % recruits probably have a higher percent hooked out of all students. Maybe public has a lower % hooked who knows, but not a single public institution has high proportion of super-high acheivers like the ivies do. Pre-TO data shows this. Heck TO data shows it with the number of 1530 + (see the recent thread). If your kid is a super high achiever 1570+ type with top rigor and a pile of 5s, the best schools for a high ratio of intellectual peers are ivies, MIT, stanford. Even UChicago does not have "ivy" ratios anymore, given how low in the class they admit ED compared to ivy
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