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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]With his alleged birthday coming up, let's discuss the person that is being celebrated. Present your information and argument for Jesus, fact or fiction.[/quote]

Jesus was made up -- not of whole cloth, because a messiah was predicted.  But those were the olden days, before modern science and running water and a bunch of stuff that we now take for granted.

Kids can't imagine life without the internet.  Neither can I!  Remember those old movies where people would wait impatiently for the mailman to come?
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Your information/evidence for denying the historicity of Jesus is that when he lived, people didn’t have running water and modern science?

And then you add in something about the internet being embedded in our society, and watching old movies that had a mailman character in the movie.

Fascinating. [/quote]

Yeah, I me think about the rich details of the lives of other Romans we have.  We know tions of detail about the lives of Julius Caesar and Cicero and then lived decades earlier. We have texts of laws they wrote and speeches they gave. We actually know quite a bit about the life of Herod from the Bible from Roman sources (which is why the Massacre of the Innocents in the book of Matthew is disputed, we have TONS of records of things he did and that has no historical support).

I tend to agree there was some kind of historical basis.  Messianic movements were pretty common at the time.  That doesn't mean I agree there's historical evidence for the divinity of Jesus.  Those are entirely separate concepts.[/quote]

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