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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Elite universities are immune from these concerns.  Brown, Dartmouth are the same or worse.  They hire ivy graduates due to the prestige.  There is no much difference between what’s taught at Harvard vs what’s taught at Haverford.  As long as corporations continue hiring elites there is nothing to worry about.

Schools like JHU are different, they were built on German models.  There is no prestige associated with JHU.  Their success is measured by output.  [/quote] No math 55 or physics 16 or CS 1210 at Haverford. JHU is very prestigious.[/quote]

Math 55 was replaced 10! years ago with a regular track class  that keeps its name only for branding. It's Real and Complex Analysis, and Linear and Abstract Algebra, all of which are at Haverford.

Harvard CS 1210 is Haverford CMSC/Math H345

Physics 16 is a review of H105 and half of H235

What Harvard has that Haverford does not is a large catalog of in-major electives and graduate level classes available for undergraduates. LAC a students take a more common core of courses and then move on to a graduate program.

What you end up with is Haverford and Harvard have a similar ratio of future PhDs to graduates, with a higher ratio at Haverford.

Harvard probably has more of the students who learn on their own despite poor/absent college teaching, while Haverford has more who are well taught.

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-phd-programs/#physics[/quote]

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