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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]We have a family member who's coached metro regional teams in last 5 years, (not Central), but they have helped with Central tryouts up to last year and you are SO wrong that they take players getting low level offers or none at all! The line is usually out the door for those coach conferences and most players offered a spot take it on the spot and there is no trend of accepting on the spot then rejecting when the written offer comes in.[/quote]
Quick check on your statement: [b]Line out the door + immediate accepts should mean an easy job filling a 12 person roster. In fact, based on this comment they should have been done on day 1.  So why did they add extra tryouts for most of the regions?
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As a Metro regional parent with several years of experience the posts here really aren't that off base.  With the exception of North, most players good enough to play above the Metro regional level go to other club tryouts on Friday and Saturday.  Many of those clubs have multiple teams that you try out for at the same time. Those tryouts overlap with the first round of Metro tryouts which is why Metro typically adds tryouts for most of their teams on Tuesday.

Half of those make-up tryouts this year ended at the same time the open tryout period ended at 10 PM (15 & 17s).  The players there either didn't have an offer or were willing to give up an existing offer to take a chance at making a Metro Regional team.  The players that had an offer from a close equivalent or even lower team would never be willing to give up a certain offer for a chance of an offer at a Metro regional.

None of this means that those Metro teams are bad. We've enjoyed our time with them. But the PP wasn't really wrong, even if it was an aggressive comment.  [b]Based on national ranks Central really is the lowest ranked Metro region.  And there are certainly examples of players with low level club offers or no offers at all taking Metro offers, because the Metro makeup tryout schedule actually forces that to happen for certain age groups[/b].[/quote]

Newbie again, so not PP: I guess I'll ask you the same question, because no one else has posted it this way: where is the National ranking data that shows Metro Central as below North, East and the 2 Souths, age group by age group, for maybe the last 5 years?  When you say they're the "lowest ranked Metro region", can you please link to the data you're looking at that compares the teams that way so we can all see what you're looking at?[/quote]
Sure, happy to.  I'll send them as different posts because there is a lot of data.  This data pull is directly from AES using national ranks for the last 4 years (Central did run teams in 2021 and South was still one region instead of 2). I used AI to format for easy text reading, so if any data is wrong its because of the AI transcription errors that sometimes occur.

2025 Metro results
National Ranks, Ordinal = absolute ranking vs. Metro teams.
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+------+-------------------------+-------------+----------+--------+-----------+-------------+-----------+
| Rank | Teams                   | Team Code | Wins       | Losses | Matches   | Win %       | Ordinal   |
+------+-------------------------+-------------+----------+--------+-----------+-------------+-----------+
|   96 | Metro 12 Travel     | g12metro1ch |   41 |     13 |      54 |     0.759 |       1 |
| 1179 | Metro 12 North      | g12metro2ch |   23 |     13 |      36 |     0.639 |       2 |
| 2138 | Metro 12 East       | g12metro3ch |   17 |     20 |      37 |     0.459 |       3 |
| 2252 | Metro 12 Central    | g12metro4ch |   12 |     14 |      26 |     0.462 |       4 |
|   67 | Metro 13 Travel     | g13metro1ch |   59 |     14 |      73 |     0.808 |       1 |
|  556 | Metro 13 East       | g13metro4ch |   35 |     11 |      46 |     0.761 |       2 |
| 1138 | Metro 13 North      | g13metro2ch |   22 |     12 |      34 |     0.647 |       3 |
| 1818 | Metro 13 Central    | g13metro5ch |   22 |     18 |      40 |      0.55 |       4 |
| 3466 | Metro 13 South PW   | g13metro3ch |    9 |     21 |      30 |       0.3 |       5 |
|   48 | Metro 14 Travel     | g14metro1ch |   60 |     20 |      80 |      0.75 |       1 |
| 2336 | Metro 14 North      | g14metro2ch |   21 |     21 |      42 |       0.5 |       2 |
| 2873 | Metro 14 Central    | g14metro3ch |   17 |     15 |      32 |     0.531 |       3 |
| 3203 | Metro 14 South FX   | g14metro6ch |   15 |     10 |      25 |       0.6 |       4 |
| 4295 | Metro 14 South PW   | g14metro5ch |   15 |     16 |      31 |     0.484 |       5 |
| 6210 | Metro 14 East       | g14metro4ch |   10 |     23 |      33 |     0.303 |       6 |
|   25 | Metro 15 Travel     | g15metro1ch |   74 |     10 |      84 |     0.881 |       1 |
| 1706 | Metro 15 North      | g15metro2ch |   26 |     22 |      48 |     0.542 |       2 |
| 2427 | Metro 15 South PW   | g15metro5ch |   18 |     17 |      35 |     0.514 |       3 |
| 3005 | Metro 15 East       | g15metro4ch |   17 |     24 |      41 |     0.415 |       4 |
| 3354 | Metro 15 South FX   | g15metro6ch |   15 |     15 |      30 |       0.5 |       5 |
| 4159 | Metro 15 Central    | g15metro3ch |   16 |     26 |      42 |     0.381 |       6 |
|   39 | Metro 16 Travel     | g16metro1ch |   66 |     21 |      87 |     0.759 |       1 |
|  412 | Metro 16 North      | g16metro2ch |   30 |     17 |      47 |     0.638 |       2 |
| 2051 | Metro 16 South PW   | g16metro5ch |   16 |     13 |      29 |     0.552 |       3 |
| 2578 | Metro 16 East       | g16metro4ch |   27 |     23 |      50 |      0.54 |       4 |
| 3604 | Metro 16 Central    | g16metro3ch |   17 |     24 |      41 |     0.415 |       5 |
| 3952 | Metro 16 South FX   | g16metro6ch |   13 |     20 |      33 |     0.394 |       6 |
|   20 | Metro 17 Travel     | g17metro1ch |   77 |     20 |      97 |     0.794 |       1 |
|  937 | Metro 17 North      | g17metro2ch |   27 |     23 |      50 |      0.54 |       2 |
|   30 | Metro 18 Travel     | g18metro1ch |   50 |     23 |      73 |     0.685 |       1 |
|  532 | Metro 18 North      | g18metro2ch |   29 |     19 |      48 |     0.604 |       2 |
| 1463 | Metro 18 South PW   | g18metro5ch |   16 |     19 |      35 |     0.457 |       3 |
| 1932 | Metro 18 East       | g18metro4ch |   15 |     23 |      38 |     0.395 |       4 |
| 1983 | Metro 18 Central    | g18metro3ch |    9 |     13 |      22 |     0.409 |       5 |
+------+-------------------------+-------------+----------+--------+-----------+-------------+-----------+[/code]

I also ran the regional ranking data same way and ran a t-test for the regression (testing how predictive the regional rank was vs the national rank in overall win %, total wins, etc).  The p-value was high indicating that regional ranks did little to predict the overall performance of the team. It appears that the regional data set suffers from data insufficiency issues discussed by multiple PP above.  For example, in 2025 U15 only Metro South teams played more than half their matches against regional opponents.  The other Metro teams played fewer than half of their matches in region, with Metro North plays just 16 matches against regional opponents compared to 48 total matches for the season in the national ranks.  The disparity in games played means that teams with lots of regional matches ranked artificially higher than those with comparably fewer regional matches played.  In other words the teams that played mostly local schedules appear stronger in the regional rankings even though the national data shows they are well below the performance of those teams that played more out of region matches.[/quote]

Aaaahhh ok, NOW I get it, thank you!  Sorry, didn't see this part when wrote previous message. Thanks![/quote]

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