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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]About time. [b]Age norm the MAP scores while you are at it.[/b] [/quote]

MAP scores have always been age-normed.
This is why from a point of view of testing, red-shirted kids don't necessarily have an academic advantage.

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No MAP is not age-normed.  Not for MCPS anyway. If you look at the cogat test reports it shows the percentile of your child considering the scores for children of X number of years and months. For MAP testing, it just shows your child as benchmarked against the district and grade level means.  [/quote]

+1  This annoyed me. My kid is one of the youngest in their class, and CES slots are assigned solely based on MAP scores, and not COGAT scores which control for age.[/quote]

They are not assigned based on MAP scores. It’s not like those who score well have an especially good chance of getting in. They throw anyone in the 85th oercentile (locally normed) into a lottery.

It’s not a good system, and it would be improved by using CogAt, but the real problem is that the lottery threshold is too low. [/quote]

No one knows what the cutoff thresholds are for CES-they're not disclosed, but in low-FARMs schools, it's rumored to be in the low to mid-90s, not 85%.   And yes, that can be a meaningful gap to bridge when you have a young student, and a kid who is 18 months older...and assess them as if they're exactly the same.[/quote]

It’s always 85th oercentile locally normed — it is the National oercentile that shifts. [/quote]

Can you cite a source for that? I know a kid with a low 90s MAP-R who wasn't in the CES lottery pool.[/quote]

Yes because he wasn’t 85th oercentile locally normed. So if he had 91% and the cutoff was 92% nationally, he was not in the top 15% of the kids in his school because in average his school did better than National
Kids did. [/quote]

Or I should add kid could have gotten a B in reading or writing.

Here is the source for the locally normed 85th percentile figure:

https://docs.google.com/document/u/2/d/1k0D-Z3uAc8ydu4P7gegUxkKMsV2_dDbbP-hnIB-oTjA/mobilebasic

See question 2[/quote]

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