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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][twitter][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Look the reality is that most of our kids and most of us parents hate taking and preparing for this one-day stressful test. But it does add value. I'm happy it's becoming the norm again to mandate testing.

The schools that will use test scores as one criteria for admission already did this for decades pre-covid. So this isn't some big ideological leap. Going TO temporarily was and I think it negatively impacted college admissions process and added to anxiety and hysteria.

If anything, going test required again will bring SAT scores back down to earth. It's really hard to get a combined SAT score north of 1500 so I'll be happy when scores in the 1400's become the new standard for top schools again.[/quote]

Scor3s will continue to be high due to superscoring.  The digital tests are shorter so easier for kids to take multiple times.[/quote]

The current SAT is too easy. They need to bring back the old test where maybe 1 kid got over a 1500 at many high schools and there was far more differentiation at the top. 1400 was Ivy level, and even a score in the 1000s meant something. But the College Board has been at the forefront of the great failed social experiment in education.[/quote]

You say it’s too easy, but my work gives me access to scores and you would not believe how low most of them are. Those who get above 1500 are rare. They are just concentrated in affluent school circles. [/quote]

20,000 kids got over a 1450 last year. 200,000 got over a 1290. These aren't even superscores. The test is not a test for anything meaningful except to show you meet some marginal criteria for performance. Don't blame affluence because even a large number of poor Asians outperform almost all of the non-Asian kids in these affluent neighborhoods.

The dumbing down of the SAT is just DEI for average white kids with the cover that somehow they're helping URM. The helping URM argument doesn't fly because top schools admit URM with low stats anyway.[/quote]

Your raw numbers are meaningless. Between 1 & 2% of kids get a 1500. The average score is still around 1000-1050. So stop with the ridiculous “it’s too easy” and “everyone gets a 1500.”  This is objectively false. [/quote]

How are raw numbers ridiculous when there are a finite total number of freshmen seats at top colleges? 1% is 10,000 kids and that's without superscoring.

Quoting the average SAT score is meaningless because those kids at or near the 50%ile are basically going to auto-admit schools.

Only people who didn't score high when they were a kid would make the argument that the SAT isn't too easy today.

Have you even seen the questions on these tests? It's a joke. Instead of vocab, analogies, and adhd-proof long-form passages, you basically have a harder TOEFL test. And don't even get me started on Desmos hacks.

They're also the same people that don't realize how easy the NMS cutoff is for actually smart kids and complain how the cutoff is so low in other states.

What also sucks is the proliferation of people who claim thar mid level schools are excellent because of the SAT score inflation. There have historically only been roughly 20-25 regular colleges and 8-10 LAC max that could possible claim to be in any conversation of top schools (some would probablyclaim fewer but I'mbeing generous). Yet how is it that so many mediocre colleges are bragging about their SAT scores among admittants?

Literally you can't even be in the conversation of "I'm really smart" unless you're in that 1%. Next you'll be saying how a 4.0 uw gpa reflects excellence. Or how your kid is amazing at baseball or soccer because they're on a random travel team.[/quote]

I have to think this isn’t a serious post. Are people in real life this obsessed with “top schools” and which kids are ACTUALLY “smart”? (Apparently, 99% of them are dumb! But who cares about them anyway?). If you are trying to make everyone else posting on the college forum look calm and sane— good job. And that’s quite the feat. [/quote]

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