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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This info is pretty fascinating if you look at the breakdown of test scores relative to legacy and athletic recruits. (And we all know that athletic recruits at Princeton mostly = privileged white people doing sports like crew, lacrosse, etc.):

https://projects.dailyprincetonian.com/frosh-survey-2028/academics.html

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And yet parents of athletes always seem to maintain on this site that they are just as qualified, would have been admitted anyhow etc. Delusional.[/quote]

Recruited athlete college application is its own thing.  For the D1 schools the students literally sign their contracts on Nov 1st, long before they could even possibly have been compared with non athlete applicants.  Even for Princeton and the other Ivies, the colleges send them "likely letters" before applications are due, then the students submit EA/REA/ED whichever early process the school has and have an over 90% admit rate.  The athlete's themselves are so confident that they will be accepted many of them post in advance on social media during the summer of their senior year . . . [/quote]

Say what you will about athletes, but this is not accurate. You can only get a liklely letter after you apply. They look at the application before issuing one.[/quote]

I know a kid that got an offer after their season junior year to UVA girls soccer.  So I think it's can happen before application[/quote]

Offers and likely letters are very different things. Top kids do get "offers" after their Junior year but they aren't binding at all.[/quote]

Yes. The PP complaining about Likely Letters does not know the process, which if fine, but they should not be spewing off information as if they do. An offer is one thing - it's coach support for admission and while that's good it's not admission. It's only a first step, and there are several additional hurdles to jump. Next comes the pre-read with admissions over the summer. If that's a green light you then apply early. Since for Ivys this means ED or REA, they know families want assurance. So after applying and before admission, you might get a Likely Letter, if the school issues them. Obviously this assurance has more value if you apply well before the deadline, since you're putting all eggs into one basket. The Likely Letter is based on the whole admission package - app, transcripts, SATs/ACTs, recommendations, essays, etc. The "offer" junior year is just a first step and just starts the process. The admission rate for athletes is so high because it only reflects the ones that made it through the entire process. Many more drop off at some point between talks with coaches and admissions. People love to hate on athletes, but this is the process. The Likely Letter is the first official word from admissions, and it comes after a full application is submitted and reviewed. [/quote]
What is the pre-read? They asked for HS transcripts as a junior. Was that the pre-read?[/quote]

Summer between Junior and Senior year, they'll ask for transcripts again, along with test scores. Admissions will review. The asking for transcripts during Junior year, usually before a visit, it just for the coach to verify that you're in the admissions zone. They don't want to pay for someone to come for a visit if there is no chance of admission. Pre-reads result in either a "yes" or "no" or no word, which can be taken as a "yes." But even a pre-read is not admission. If you end up having horrible letters of recommendation, for example, a green light on a pre-read will not have mattered. [/quote]

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