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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]You clearly have never employed anyone or otherwise run a competitive retail/agriculture type business.

Because the questions you are asking suggest either no employment history or solely white collar type history like a lawyer or someone who otherwise sits behind a keyboard all day.[/quote]

Funny you mention this. My dad owned a business that employed illegal immigrants. He tried to hire citizens, and he tried to get his employees on visas, but it never worked out, the citizens tended not to be as reliable of workers and he was too small of a shop to be successful on the visa front.

You are correct that my dad would not have been able to stay afloat if he had to hire citizens at higher wages, but that is only because literally every other similar small business was also employing illegal immigrants. If they were all subjected to the same playing field, then the industry would have to change and some businesses might not survive, but that would not be predicated on whether or not they employed illegal inmigrants.[/quote]

Your dad's business was simply not economically viable. So he broke the law.[/quote]

Hard to say it was not viable because we never had a control group. Every other small business in his industry did the same. All of those businesses would have had to operate on a very different model had there not been a supply of illegal immigrant labor.

From an economic standpoint, it does not matter that much whether the immigration is legal or illegal except that illegal immigrants are more exploitable and therefore easier to subject to bad working conditions and low wages. Over the past several years, much of the migration was authorized via TPS or whatever program, but legal or not, a surge of low skilled labor is going to have a similar effect on labor markets.

And yes, there are some industries that would not be able to survive without illegal immigrant labor. If prices go up due to labor costs, then people will have to make choices where to spend their money. Obviously they need food. They do not need pedicures.

Our world as we know it has been heavily shaped by the steady availability of cheap labor. Large houses on suburban lots requiring maintenance inside and outside come to mind. If cheap house cleaners and landscapers weren’t available, a lot fewer people would want those large suburban houses. Not to mention the people needed to build those houses. Suburban sprawl is enabled by cheap immigrant labor. [/quote]
Same thing with plantation houses. They were only viable because of the cheap labor. People adapt though. Hopefully it doesn’t take a war this time.[/quote]
How exactly did they adapt?  Oh yes, the wealthy white slave [b]owners lost some slaves, but still retained their power, [/b] and lots of people went hungry.

Today, the taxpayers fund the big farm corporations, and the smaller farmers are going bankrupt

https://farmpolicynews.illinois.edu/2025/07/farm-bankruptcies-this-year-already-exceed-2024-levels/

So,  yea, I guess we could go back to post 1865 where the rich farmers stayed rich, and the smaller farms went bankrupt, and food was scarce.

MAGA are telling poor people to make better food choices, but then at the same time say "we don't need cheap produce".   So, you expect poor people to eat healthier while at the same time gutting food programs, medicaid, and increase food prices.

The mind of a MAGA. And if OP is not MAGA, OP is just as dumb.[/quote]

Interesting take. Yes, war has a tendency to impoverish societies and cause hunger. The civil war created a lot of poverty. Should we not have fought it, and kept people enslaved? [/quote]

Maybe yeah? Boycott Confederate cotton. Protect escaped slaves and cultivate the Underground Railroad. Sponsor slave uprisings and clandestine operations by free Blacks and abolitionists from the north. Secure the border. Coordinate with Europe and Mexico to disrupt the Confederate economy and prevent the slave trade. Offer economic incentive for the Confederacy to reform.
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please.  They tried all of that. Did you learn what happened during the civil war? The British helped the south by buying their cotton and supplying them arms.[/quote]

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