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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]FYI Trump also wants foreign workers. He acknowledged that many farmers and hotels have been hurt by the raids.

Why do you think only rich people should be able to afford strawberries at $15 per?[/quote]

So we should exploit people so that low income people can afford strawberries??

More people can grow their own. Or be paid a higher wage with less downward pressure on wages, and might even be able to splurge on $15 strawberries sometimes. 
And maybe they don’t need to be a year round readily available thing.

The world is changing. Maybe teach your kids some practical skills.[/quote]
1. do you think  people in urban areas (where most people in this country live) can grow their own food? Seriously? Oh, they should move to rural areas and live in communes and grow their own food?
2. If farmers pay a higher wage, you realize that the cost will be passed on to consumers, right?  At that point, the only people who will be able to afford eating fresh produce is wealthy people. This is not just about strawberries, which is already kind of expensive.
3. We already import produce from other countries, especially during our winter.  Or are you saying that we should all live a substance living, and only eat what we can farm?

I don't know about you, but I don't relish living like a third world country where we can't get fresh produce year round.

Farmers can't raise wages that much higher without going out of business.   There is an inflection point where raising the wages causes food prices to go up so much so that the demand will go  down so much so that it will not be viable for a farmer to stay in business. As it is, taxpayers already subsidize farmers.

Farmers have, in the past, tried to increase wages to attract  American workers. It didn't work because this type of job is back breaking, something most Americans now are not used to.

If you are suggesting that Americans should go work on farms, I would suggest you and your children can go first.[/quote]

So it sounds like you’re cool with exploiting people from third world countries so that you don’t have to live like someone in a third world country. Got it.

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I'm a realist.  There will always be an underclass.   People from third world countries want to come here because low wage jobs here are still better than life in their poor home country.

And before you call me elitist,  my parents were those people -- low wage, low skilled, spoke no English.  They worked low wage jobs here to give us, their kids, a better life.  I'm very grateful that they sacrificed leaving everything and everyone they knew at home to provide a better life for us.  My kids are now beneficiaries of my parents' sacrifices.

If you talk to an illegal immigrant, they will tell you the same - that as hard as their lives are here, they at least have a chance to give their kids a better life. I have known some illegal immigrants. They work hard, and want what we all want - a good life for their kids.

I'm not saying we should pay them below minimum wage.  I posted the link showing how much farm workers make. They can make $20/hour, which is *a lot* for them.  Why do you think so many of them send remittances back home?

My father was a blue collar worker in a factory, and took the night shift because it paid 25 cents more per hour.    It was tough for him.  Do you think he was exploited?  What were his choices?  Go back to a war torn, third world country, or work for lower pay here to provide a better life for his family?

Of course, low wage workers should be treated fairly, and some are being exploited, but some are able to eek out a living to give their kids a better life and even send money home.

What do you think those migrant workers would do if they went back home?  That doesn't mean we should exploit them, but seems to me, that getting paid $15+/hour is better than no job back home. And that's why they keep coming back.

There is no way in h3ll your kids (or mine) will take those back breaking jobs.    You are being unrealistic.   You sound like we should all live in a commune. Be my guest if that is what you want.
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