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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The argument is not and should not be that "Americans won't do these jobs" but that we have inadequate citizen applicants to get the job done when the job is important and needed from generating food to nursing care.[/quote]

From inception, the U.S. was built on free and then underpaid labor. Indentured servants > slaves > sharecroppers/Jim Crow blacks > Irish/Italian/Polish/Chinese immigrants > illegal immigrants from Latin America. Our food and several manufacturing sectors have ALWAYS paid below market-rate wages. [/quote]

OP here. Yes, I read The Jungle. I thought we were supposed to be progressing past that. A lot of people on this thread are fine with those jobs continuing to suck as long as it’s not them who has to do them.[/quote]
There will always be an underclass.  That is how society works.  Even communes have a people on the top and bottom.

I think farmers should provide decent wages and living conditions for farm workers, and we  need to have a fair work visa system.  But, in 2025, there is no way American workers will work in the hot sun for 8+hours even for $20+ per hour. It is  backbreaking work.

CA median wage for farm worker is $24.59.

https://labormarketinfo.edd.ca.gov/aspdotnet/SupportPage/AllOESWage.aspx?soccode=452099

Federal minimum wage is $7.5, but CA pays way above minimum wage.

Minimum wage for farm workers - as you can guess, the red states pay the lowest.

https://nationalaglawcenter.org/state-compilations/agpay/minimumwage/

These red states don't want foreign workers, but they don't want to pay living wages for backbreaking work.  Oh, that's right, they want medicaid recipients to do the work.[/quote]

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