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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]So, two things. First, they didn't say "dismantle the IDF" they said "Kill the IDF." Those are not the same things. One calls for disbanding an army and the other is a call for murder. So let's be honest about the situation.

Second, and I say this as proud Jew AND a proud Zionist, I am deeply bothered by the special status the government is giving in regards speaking out against Israel and Jews. This double standard--DEI is bad except when it comes to Jews and/or Israel--is not going to do us any favors with people who already hate us. Jews don't do well historically when people can point to us and say we  get special things other people don't. Most of the people I know agree with this discomfort and I've read a few articles in the Jewish media pushing back against this idea. Don't get me wrong, I find what the band said appaling and ugly, but I don't agree that it alone should make them ineligible to enter the US.[/quote]

Arguable. Saying "Kill the IDF" has the same meaning has "Kill the bill", "kill the program", "kill the plan". There are many ways that it simply means "kill the organization". [/quote]

Also, remember that on these American shores, we have the God given right to say whatever the hell we want, provided it doesn't cross very specific parameters.  That said we do have, in most US jurisdictions, "terroristic threat" statutes which make it illegal to threaten to kill or harm someone or their property.  But that usually comes with some standard of credibility, which is also why it's usually a felony and not a misdemeanor.  Someone just saying or chanting something or for that matter laying out some seashells alone typically does not and should not meet the sniff test of whether it's a credible threat.  If on the other hand they said they wanted to kill someone AND had bomb-making supplies or a weapons cache and a map to that person's house, other things to give some credibility to whether that person might actually follow through with it, then terroristic threat statutes would apply.[/quote]

While free speech exists in this country, the most basic function of our federal government is to protect our borders and determine whether foreign nationals are allowed in.  The artist has no legal right to be here and barring his entry is a perfectly legitimate exercise of government power. Kinda like Australia barring Candace Owens from entering their country. [/quote]

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