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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]https://www.topuniversities.com/world-university-rankings?items_per_page=100

Among US universities: ( [b]methodology superior to USnews)
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Crème de le crème: MIT , Harvard, Stanford,Caltech, Uchicago, UPenn, Cornell

Tier 1.5: UCB, Johns Hopkins,Yale, Princeton

Tier 2: Columbia, Northwestern, Umich,UCLA

Tier 3: Duke, CMU ( ex CS), nYU, Brown//

Understandably Dartmouth/Vanderbit/Washu ranks are too low to get recognition 
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The methodology is not superior to US News as QS rankings are focused on graduate schools and research citations, not on undergraduate schools.[/quote]

But they are rankings of universities, not of undergrad programs.[/quote]
A horse by any other name; they are rankings of graduate universities, but not of individual graduate departments. They are worthless.[/quote]

Good thing QS has subject rankings too.

A university is more than its undergrad program. I’m not sure what else there is to say.[/quote]

But it isn’t, especially for undergraduate education which is what DCUM discussions are typically focused on. And this is why there are probably 15-20 SLACs which are superior to any of these schools for undergraduate education outside of engineering and CS. I’m not sure what else there is to say.[/quote]

“A university isn’t more than its undergrad program” is the type of neurotic and myopic take I expect from this place.[/quote]
For parents of students interested in an undergraduate education, that’s a pretty accurate statement.[/quote]

But it's not accurate. Professor here, and I think it's not always obvious the ways that research impacts undergraduate education. Off the top of my head... research experiences are often a key step in getting a job in certain areas OR in getting into graduate school. At small liberal arts colleges, for example, it's hard to get the strong research experience. In my own field, when we do admissions, someone from say Penn State has a better chance of having the experience they need to get into our program than someone from say William and Mary. Research brings in money. Research brings attention/prestige. Also, research opportunity tends to attract top faculty (plenty of amazing faculty at small liberal arts colleges, and many of them like teaching more, so on balance might be a wash). My point is that it's sometimes hard for parents to know the way research impacts undergraduate education. But as an academic, I would be looking for a place with high research productivity so my kid has plenty of options for experiences. [/quote]

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