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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Many doctors have not learned or barely practice the art of hands on medicine. They rely on labs, which is something AI can do pretty well. But hands on is really needed in many contexts and often helps to avoid expensive tests.

AI can't really replicate hands on medicine; doctors need to do more of this.[/quote]

What do I need hands in medicine for though for many types of issues?

Let's say I have some kind of unknown infection.  I take images of the skin rash, input my symptoms into AI, along with my labs delivered electronically and AI comes up with the highest probable diagnosis and appropriate course of action/treatment.  I don't really need a handson clinical, do I?  AI can also keep training itself on the entire body of new research and literature available so that it can constantly update the best prescription for treatment regimens, optimal dosing for drugs, etc. while a human physician probably almost never reads any literature after med school.

Struggling here to see why we need any doctors for hands on work if AI now does it with less error rates than a human. [/quote]

If you have a skin lesion and AI diagnoses it, who is going to remove it if that’s the recommended treatment? I assume one day a robot could do it, but I think that’s a longer way off.

What if you have symptoms that can’t be shown in a photo? If I have abdominal pain, the doctor doing an exam and putting their hands on my belly to assess for pain, feel for masses, etc is doing something that AI can’t.

I think medicine is going to change a lot, but there will be a role for doctors for a while, probably for some fields longer than others. [/quote]

You're missing the point.

No one is saying this is gonna replace surgery, but it will replace TONS of doctors visits for diagnosis.  That's like the entirely of primary care and the bulk of speciality care.  I could pay a technician $12/h to follow an AI screen of instructions telling them where to push on a patient's abdomen to get pain diagnosis. I don't need an MD for that.  Then you just press on the screen where a patient reports pain. AI takes that into account in the diagnosis. [/quote]

People go to the doctor when they want to see a human.  I've already gotten very good at triaging (reducing) my own visits to the doctor using Google, an advice book I got from Kaiser Permanente, advice phone lines with nurse practitioners etc.

Most of my care is checkups.  I don't want to get a mammogram from a purely automated factory assembly line of robots squeezing me.  When I say "Ow" I want a 
trained tech who reviews images and adjusts the machine to be there.  Can't even imagine a Pap without a person there.

Stop peddling your dystopia.  I'll pay more to avoid it.[/quote]

You can carp all you want. Objective data are data.  The stone cold reality is that we are on the verge of having AI that consistently outperforms human physicians. There will be zero rational reason to have a human do tons of clinical work that a computer can now do better.

This isn't Dr. Google, lol.  The typists also said a computer would never replace their typewriters too. [/quote]

And right now unless you have an established general doctor, it can take 3-4 months to get an appointment.  You are stuck using urgent care for most actual issues beyond yearly checkups.  We don't have enough doctors.

Try getting a specialist appointment.  We are with a concierge program and unless you have a massive/serious issue, it's still a 4-6 month wait to see a neurologist and other specialties.  Say you have a seizure or stroke.  Once you leave the hospital, it's hard to get appts with the specialists, because they are so busy and not enough of them.  So any work that could be offloaded thru AI and just reviewed by a PA/nurse/MD is a good thing.  We will not be putting doctors out of work, we will just be relieving the stress on the system so someone with serious migraines could be seen in a few weeks, not 6 months later. 
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+1 the system is so stressed. It needs all the help it can get[/quote]

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