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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Many wealthy people value social network more than intellectual rigor.  And, many private school admissions offices value wealthy parents more than the intellectual capacity of their students.

Those two statements mean that while there will be some bright kids in a private school class, there will also be some not very bright students who are there because their parents have a lot of money or are important DC people.

In a CES or MS magnet cohort, the kids are all exceptionally bright.  It is an entirely different environment than private when it comes to intellectual challenge and encouragement, which comes as much from the peers as the teachers.

The CES and MS magnets were life-changing for both my kids. [/quote]
I think you are talking about pre covid CES. Now it’s lottery based not merit, so the kids might not be the exceptionally bright kids..[/quote]

The kids still need to qualify for the lottery. It’s not free and open to anyone [/quote] 
They only need 85 percentile locally norm to make it to the pool. I would not consider 85 exceptionally bright.[/quote]

[b]You can game the MAP tests pretty easily [/b]by just teaching your kid ahead of their grade level.  In fact there are test prep programs that do just that.  Which is why I think the sanctimony about letting in the “less bright” kids in the 85 pctile who happen to be in poorer schools is ridiculous.   A major factor driving these high scores in wealthier areas is their opportunity for enrichment.[/quote]

You're just confirming CES lets in “less bright” kids...whether they score 75% (IEP), 85% (Farms) or 99% (enrichment)[/quote]

Actually they’re not making that confirmation.  Their stating that the playings fields are not level and the scoring accounts for that.[/quote]

+1   Two of the kids I know who got into CES go to a well-known math enrichment program that costs a good amount.  They also do kiddie creative writing classes.  Are they bright? Absolutely.  Would they be 95% rather than 85% without that enrichment and well-resourced parents.  Who knows.  But I don't think we're talking about a CES full of Young Sheldons here--these are just bright kids who are clearly above grade level.  [/quote]

Well the CES program is not based on math scores so your experience is not super relevant.[/quote]
Did you miss the part about where they also take extracurricular writing classes?[/quote]

So if you do CES your child still has to do extracurricular reading and writing classes to learn? Our family doesn't have time for the added commute to school and extracurricular classes on top of that[/quote]

The point, I think, was that the kids scored high enough to get in *because* of the enrichment classes.

It's much easier to prep for MAP tests than for the IQ-type tests—although people certainly tried to game those in the past, too. Assuming they have a reasonable level of aptitude, kids who have had enrichment beyond their grade level can do well because a lot of what MAP tests at the higher percentiles is based on exposure. The digital exam keeps giving you additional questions, on increasingly advanced concepts, until you miss too many.

With math, exposure is especially key. You can't solve a math question involving exponents if you've never seen one before and have no idea what it means, but if you've been introduced to the idea of squares and cubes, you could make an educated guess. [/quote]

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