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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Let me clarify the 89% math was iready math in early September. I don’t have any other math score but I assume it has gone up.

I’m not questioning if he’s gifted or just bright, I thought most aap are bright and not truly gifted….[/quote]

Most kids in AAP are scoring in the 99th percentile in one iReady and probably 95th or higher percentile in the second. DS was 99th percentile for both iReadys and Passed Advanced for all of his SOLs, including 600s two out of four years in reading and math and a 600 on the science SOL. He is not a genius, but he is really smart.

The 89th percentile in Math is strong but not high enough for AAP at most schools.[/quote]

Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha.

My first was a 99th percentile kid, all the time.

My second was a low-90th percentile kid.

My third was like 88th percentile.

All 3 were admitted to AAP.

Very tired of the "if your kid is merely bright they don't belong in AAP" tropes. [b]People - it's not that special. It's 20% of the county.[/b]
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This. The top 20% of the country is not all geniuses. Not even close. [/quote]

This fact is what makes it so hard for people to accept that their child didn't get in. It would be one thing if AAP only took truly gifted 1-3% of kids in FCPS. Then you're in good company. I think it's hard for parents to accept that their kid can't even make the lowered standard. It's a real knock on the ego.[/quote]

That doesn't seem to be the problem, here.  OP's kid was in pool with 99th percentile test scores.  The teacher told the parents that OP's kid is "very bright," so the kid must be showing advanced behaviors in class.  The teacher seems to think that AAP is a program only for that truly gifted 1-3% and not for the regular bright kids.  I can see why OP is confused when the majority of kids in AAP are comparable to or even less bright than OP's kid.  [b]This is the problem with using a very subjective rating scale as the primary metric for AAP admissions.  Not every teacher is going to be on the same page regarding the level of kids in AAP and how generously or harshly they're supposed to rate them when filling out the HOPE[/b].  [/quote]

I wholeheartedly agree with this.  My child did not get into AAP in second grade, even though the teacher was very complimentary of him and said he would do well in AAP.  She gave him poor marks on the HOPE, with a couple completely unhelpful comments.  In third grade I applied again.  Again the teacher was very complimentary of him. This time the teacher gave him much more positive marks, checked more of the "exceptional talent" boxes, and very put very complimentary comments into the hope.  Nothing else about my child changed in that year.  In third grade he was accepted.

Also I'm also tired of people saying that AAP is for gifted students and most students have a 99% iready. Plenty of children are accepted with lower iReady scores, including mine. [/quote]

I would guess that the high SES schools have classes where the vast majority of students have iReadys in the 95th percentile or higher. I would expect lower CoGAT, NNAT, and iReady scores at the schools with higher FARMs rate. If you are coming out of a school where kids are encouraged academically at home then you are less likely to be accepted with iReady scores that are lower. The programs are starting to match the schools and the schools feeding them. I don't think that is a problem, LIV probably should be geared to the top 10% of each school. It has grown because there are parents who are so focused on their kids being in that top group. One of the recommendations from the AAP audit in 2020 was to remove parental referrals and appeals because it is primarily used by wealthier families.

Can you imagine the outrage if the process was changed to only accepting the in-pool kids?

So yes, there are kids with lower iReady scores, but they are not close to being in the majority. Just like there are kids with CoGAT scores in the 115's, but they are not close to being in the majority. Overall, the kids in AAP will have CoGATs in the mid 130's or higher and iReadys in the 95th percentile. And I would guess that the kids with lower CoGATs and iReadys are kids whose parents appealed and reapplied or are URM at high FARMs schools. Parents should be looking out for their kids but let's not pretend that the Committee is allowing in lots of kids with lower scores in schools feeding McLean, Langley, or Oakton HS.

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Sure but my daughter was in pool and not accepted with the teachers and AART telling me that the kids that are getting into AAP are only very high level genius like Elon musk or bill gates type kids. [/quote]

That is demonstrably not true (and we'll set aside the argument on whether she picked actual representative geniuses...)

Kids with 99 on the CogAT - not 99th percentil but a VQN of 99 - were listed as accepted in the 2020 report. That data was from like 2018 so I think they are current 9th graders?[/quote]

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