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Pope Francis looks like he wants to run. But he's a good christian and being kind.[/quote]

I applaud Francis for meeting with Vance. I believe Vance’s conversion was shallow at best, fake at worst. Meeting with the Pope hopefully could have confronted JD with the understanding that he is not in fact superior to everyone else and is morally accountable for his actions. [/quote]

+1 I hope Vance felt as small and fake as he is in the presence of a kind and morally upright human being.[/quote]

I hope the Pope talked to him about the cruelty and sin of cutting off aid to Africa and using governmental power to deliberately sow fear. [/quote]

Doubt it.[/quote]

Why do you doubt it? This Pope is very outspoken.
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Yeah. Super outspoken on the 2024 election, for example. When, as you might remember, he said Harris and Trump were equally bad choices, and American Catholics should figure it out for themselves.  Because abortion and Project 2025 were equally bad sins in his opinion. Because an authoritarian who openly degrades the least of our people, and abuses our poor, our migrants, our citizens in need of food and education and shelter and compassion and empathy and allowing women making their own medical decisions are equal evils. They are not. This life sometimes gives you two bad options and says choose one.  And throwing up your hands and letting the perfect be the enemy of the good is cowardice. And I do expect better from the Pope than than “she was bad on one issue so nope, let’s not speak out again a promise of harming millions of immigrants, people on Medicaid, poor people, federal employees, etc, etc.

I respected this Pope. And had a lot of hope for him. But come on man. If you really want to walk the Catholic social justice walk, then you are in favor of universal pre-K, universal healthcare, a strong social safety net, USAID and are an AOC/ Bernie socialist. Because that’s what Jesus taught. And you can disagree with these positions. A lot of my Catholic family does. They conspicuously  to the church of Sunday, eat fish on Friday and the rest of the week say such gross things about the poor, immigrants, trans people that my college aged kids don’t want to be near them.  But they are hypocrites and judge others in a way Jesus would never condone. You can’t disagree with a strong social safety net and tout your Catholic bona fides. And apparently, [b]because I had a wanted ectopic pregnancy and therefore having needed an abortion, I’m going to he11. [b]My parents say so, and 20 years later still tell everyone how sad they are I won’t be in heaven with them. [/b]Because abortion is a mortal sin— one of the only ones you can’t atone for.[b]

So, I’m now a lapsed Catholic. Because I don’t believe in a church that would have me die at 30 for a futile pregnancy.  And I don’t know what JD Vance is. But he certainly didn’t convert because he believes in most of the tenants of Catholicism.

But spare me cheers for the Pope snubbing JD. In October 2024, when ihis words might have mattered, this Pope was silent.

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It is very sad that you’ve been through what you say you’ve been through.

But (1) removal of the tube containing an ectopic pregnancy is not an abortion as the Church defines one, and the Church specifically teaches that such surgery is, pursuant to “the principle of double effect,” not sinful; and (2) mortal sins, specifically including deliberate procured abortion, can be forgiven in confession if the pursing is truly sorry and has a firm purpose of amendment. [/quote]

“Truly sorry” for not dying due to a preventable medical outcome? And this is a belief system you expect women to embrace? Folks like you are insane. - Physician and NP[/quote]

Your puerile name calling and incomprehensible vague reference to “preventable medical outcome” notwithstanding, my post was aimed at correcting what seemed to be a significant theological misunderstanding on the part of the poster I responded to about the positive morality of treating an ectopic pregnancy even if it results in the death of the child as an undesired second effect; and as to whether abortion is an “unforgivable” sin, which it is not.

As for my “expectations” about the “belief system” any given person should “embrace,” I think they should follow whatever they conscientiously think true, but that in doing so they are best served by accurate foundational knowledge, which the PP in question appeared to lack. [/quote]

“Puerile”. That anger is never far behind, is it? Just an FYI, an ectopic pregnancy cannot proceed to a viable term pregnancy. Ever. Hence, there is no “death of a child”. Do keep lecturing on this topic though. It’s going well.  [/quote]

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