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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]"Tren de Agua" and "MS-13"  are supposedly armed to teeth and took over our cities. They murder civilians for sport.

Trump is sending thousands of them an El Salvador death camp.

Why are none of these "terrorists" and "hardened criminals" shooting back at ICE?

Did I misunderstand the theat we faced? 
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“Tren de Agua” maybe has a 100 members in the US. ”MS-13” has about 10,000 members in the US. MS-13 was started in the 1980 to protect El Salvador immigrants from other gangs. The vast majority of its members are now US citizens because they were born here. 10,000 is about 1% of all the gangs in the US. Though the Federal agencies do not have good gang data. The Republicans have defunded most of the strategies and operations to monitor these kinds of things. Interesting thing with MA-13 is when the US deported gang members in 1990’s MS-13 spread and took over El Salvador.

None of the 238 people kidnapped and sent to El Salvador have been charged or appeared in US courts. There is no proof that any of these people did anything, are gang members or committed any crime. Nothing has been presented in US courts. So we do not know if they are even illegals. [/quote]

[b]Thank you for coming with facts. [/b]I asked Grok about this and this was the conclusion:

"No definitive, up-to-date count exists for either gang. Tren de Aragua’s presence appears smaller and less organized than MS-13’s, likely numbering in the low hundreds at most, while MS-13 might still hover around thousands but lacks a recent benchmark. Both are active but overstated as existential threats. Data from DHS, ICE, or FBI remains the closest to credible, but even these sources hedge with estimates or focus on arrests rather than totals. Always dig past headlines—gang stats are notoriously slippery."

Bottom line: the Trump administration is going to continue deporting Hispanics that it claims are members of either of these gangs WITH NO EVIDENCE or due process. As soon as anyone protests, they will respond, "Why do you want to keep dangerous criminals in this country?" and they will add colorful details like "who raped a child or an old woman" etc. to inflame MAGA and retain their support. It's a very slipper slope for all of our civil rights. And, to top it all, there is absolutely no indication so far that they have removed "the worst of the worst" in any large numbers.

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DP.  "Facts"??  The PP included zero citations in her post.  But since you agree with her opinion, you call that "facts."  And then you ask a Chatbot, and list those results as "facts"?  Unreal.[/quote]

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