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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][b]As far as I can tell, from what we know of them in the past and from what people say about them, they both used to be decent people. They are both extremely smart and ambitious, let's stop with any insinuations.[/b]

JD Vance sold his soul and Usha is along for the ride. She looks miserable (she has a conscience or some sense of perspective).

The only thing I feel slightly sorry for is that in this ultra prejudiced country, they will receive more hate than the bigger villains because they are nerds, she is non-white and a woman, he has a resting smarmy face, etc. IMO they should be far down on the list of most hated, but still. They are complicit. They are part of the problem. They violated their principles to gain power. No sympathy for either. [/quote]

The truth is..... they are both decent people who are smart and ambitious.  
[b]They simply vote differently than you and are on the opposite of the aisle. [/b]
Your hate overrides your reasoning. [/quote]

But he said he will make up stories to tell people to get what he wants. 
“ If I have to create stories so that the American media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people, then that’s what I’m going to do.”

No.  I don’t see how you can say that is okay. Lying to anyone to get what you want is just wrong.  Ask any embezzler or criminal.[/quote]

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