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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][b]As far as I can tell, from what we know of them in the past and from what people say about them, they both used to be decent people. They are both extremely smart and ambitious, let's stop with any insinuations.[/b]

JD Vance sold his soul and Usha is along for the ride. She looks miserable (she has a conscience or some sense of perspective).

The only thing I feel slightly sorry for is that in this ultra prejudiced country, they will receive more hate than the bigger villains because they are nerds, she is non-white and a woman, he has a resting smarmy face, etc. IMO they should be far down on the list of most hated, but still. They are complicit. They are part of the problem. They violated their principles to gain power. No sympathy for either. [/quote]

The truth is..... they are both decent people who are smart and ambitious.  
They simply vote differently than you and are on the opposite of the aisle. 
Your hate overrides your reasoning. [/quote]

That doesn't explain Vance's complete reversal from Never Trumper.
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That 180 didn't come out of the blue. He was radicalized. This article outlines the people who influenced his transition to the new alt-right. These people are all anti-liberals who don't believe in democracy and want to replace it with some other form of government:

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/07/18/jd-vance-world-view-sources-00168984

Quote from the article:

"As Vance himself confessed earlier this year, he is 'plugged into a lot of weird, right-wing subcultures.' His transition from Never-Trump conservative to MAGA firebrand was influenced by his relationships with a handful of niche conservative writers and thinkers. Among them are people who push for post-liberal regime change, some who pine for the cultural conservatism of Viktor Orbán’s Hungary, and one outright monarchist. This cohort espouses a variety of sometimes competing viewpoints, but they are bound together by the belief that the liberal project of 'progress' — especially in the form of economic liberalization, technological advancement and the leveling of social hierarchies — has in fact been a mistake."[/quote]

Vance is weak and is always looking for validation. It’s common when you’ve never had a parent love you. [/quote]

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