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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Honestly, none of the schools mentioned in this thread should be a consideration if you have a high performing kid.

Guess if your kid is average and on grade level, he will be happy to be at the top of the class.  Not sure if he will be stretched or challenge though.

That’s the reality of the situation.[/quote]

This is dumb. SH has had happy genuinely high performing students who go on to do well at Walls and privates. I know multiple top students at our feeder who are now doing well at SH and enjoying their time there.[/quote]

First of all, what you know is anecdotal. Data doesn’t lie.  SH does not have any significant groups of high performing kids. 4% of the kids are above grade level in math.  That’s 4 out of 100.  15% in ELA.  These numbers are abysmal.  So the “multiple” top students at your feeder are the small minority in the numbers above or they have regressed and now are not testing above grade level and are on grade level.

Secondly, what the very small minority of UMC families don’t tell you who send their kids is that they supplement alot.

So [/quote]

The math numbers can’t really be read like that, because different kids take different tests in different years. So kids taking geometry in 8th are ahead of grade level even if they get a 4 on PARCC; there can be genuine questions about whether acceleration that results in a 4 is worth it, but it’s definitely still the case that those kids are ahead of grade level.

In any case, anecdotal or not, my kids go to the best testing feeder, so it’s probably not shocking that I know a sizable chunk of high performing SH students. But SH kids have a truly well rounded experience — much more like the vaunted suburban schools of this form extracurriculars wise than most other DC middle schools — so I am fine with a trade off of happy kid excelling in passions with acceleration options and maybe some 4s mixed in with 5s on CAPE. I am not concerned about my kid getting a 4 on CAPE even if a 5 is preferable; they’ll get at least a 4 wherever they go.

Like many other parents, I’d would prefer Latin for the HS feed, but I will send my high performing kid to SH without a second thought if the lottery doesn’t work out.[/quote]

Sorry but you are delusional.  If only 15% of kids are above grade level in ELA, there is not any significant number of kids above grade level in math.  Both these numbers tend to go hand in hand with some spread between the 2.

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I didn't claim there was a "significant" number, I said that 4% is not accurate. It isn't. There is an entire class of math accelerated students. Per the principal's speech at the open house, over 80% of that group got a 4 or 5 on CAPE. That is at least 16-18 students who are ahead of grade level by definition AND there are a handful of kids who are accelerated multiple years. You honestly do not know what you're talking about. Similarly, SH has students accelerated in ELA; in that case, they're just placed a grade level ahead. Those kids take the CAPE for the year ahead of where they are. So the 15% number is also an undercount. I am NOT claiming that other schools don't have similar situations; I am only claiming that you're reading the data wrong/without sufficient context. SH isn't a huge school and there are basically a full class of kids in ELA and Math performing ahead of grade level. That's way more kids that at my ES feeder (not percentage wise, but in terms of real numbers) and my feeder is generally well-regarded even in terms of test scores.

I am not suggesting that you should pick SH over Latin or BASIS or Deal or Hardy. I am responding to the claim at the top of this chain that "Honestly, none of the schools mentioned in this thread should be a consideration if you have a high performing kid." I do not believe that is true. The fact is that with SH having 6-12 kids per year to Walls in recent years, if you really believe there are like 4 kids in the whole school ahead of grade level in math... well then it's a great pick! Kids who aren't even ahead of grade level will be getting into Walls left and right![/quote]

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