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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Honestly, none of the schools mentioned in this thread should be a consideration if you have a high performing kid.

Guess if your kid is average and on grade level, he will be happy to be at the top of the class.  Not sure if he will be stretched or challenge though.

That’s the reality of the situation.[/quote]

This is dumb. SH has had happy genuinely high performing students who go on to do well at Walls and privates. I know multiple top students at our feeder who are now doing well at SH and enjoying their time there.[/quote]

First of all, what you know is anecdotal. Data doesn’t lie.  SH does not have any significant groups of high performing kids. 4% of the kids are above grade level in math.  That’s 4 out of 100.  15% in ELA.  These numbers are abysmal.  So the “multiple” top students at your feeder are the small minority in the numbers above or they have regressed and now are not testing above grade level and are on grade level.

Secondly, what the very small minority of UMC families don’t tell you who send their kids is that they supplement alot.

So [/quote]

The math numbers can’t really be read like that, because different kids take different tests in different years. So kids taking geometry in 8th are ahead of grade level even if they get a 4 on PARCC; there can be genuine questions about whether acceleration that results in a 4 is worth it, but it’s definitely still the case that those kids are ahead of grade level.

In any case, anecdotal or not, my kids go to the best testing feeder, so it’s probably not shocking that I know a sizable chunk of high performing SH students. But SH kids have a truly well rounded experience — much more like the vaunted suburban schools of this form extracurriculars wise than most other DC middle schools — so I am fine with a trade off of happy kid excelling in passions with acceleration options and maybe some 4s mixed in with 5s on CAPE. I am not concerned about my kid getting a 4 on CAPE even if a 5 is preferable; they’ll get at least a 4 wherever they go.

Like many other parents, I’d would prefer Latin for the HS feed, but I will send my high performing kid to SH without a second thought if the lottery doesn’t work out.[/quote]

Sorry but you are delusional.  If only 15% of kids are above grade level in ELA, there is not any significant number of kids above grade level in math.  Both these numbers tend to go hand in hand with some spread between the 2.

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Got it. You have made your point several times over. PARCC/CAPE whatever it is any given year is one test. It is a whole conversation to talk about how much you want to decide your child's school based on one data point. Tons of variables go into how a kid performs on a test, and  if your kid gets a 4, they are not 'behind'. And by that metric, a large percent of the schools in question score 'well'. Huge elephant in the room is the gap between subgroups/demographics, which if you go to other schools isn't as apparent and doesn't impact the overall scores as much, because the populations are more homogenous. [/quote]

NP. Those “tons of variables” exist at other schools, which are also not “homogenous” and those schools perform a lot better. The test scores at SH are not good. That’s just a fact.

I would still pick it over EH though, which has worse test scores and more behavioral problems. 
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What schools perform a lot better? I would think maybe Deal, Hardy, O-A, BASIS, Latin, DCI? Where else are you thinking of?

The fact is that these schools require a lot of lottery luck, and/or require having had lottery luck much earlier in a child's academic career, and/or are very difficult to access from many parts of the city.[/quote]

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