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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Everyone involved is gross. These women all agreed to consensual sex with this man until at some point it went bad. What the heck did they expect, having sex with a married man while working as his babysitter? I’m not blaming them for instances of sexual assault but let’s not pretend these are upstanding young women. This man is disgusting. If he, as my boss invited me to take a bath in his garden, that would be a hard no. Where is common sense?[/quote]

+100. These women are fully complicit in their own treatment.  They agreed to participate.[/quote]

I don’t think the evidence is there that they fully agreed to participate in everything that happened. [/quote]

There's no "evidence" but circumstantial evidence shows it.  Maybe they were overborne by his charisma - that means that it was consensual.  [/quote]

Some of these women were 18 or 22 at the time. One was his child's nanny. Another was a tenant on his property whose husband had recently left her and she was worried she and her children would be evicted if she didn't comply.

Also so many of these incidents took place in remote homes in the middle of nowhere. That really struck me, especially because the article talks about how Gaiman preferred being in more remote places. It's always some remote house on farm upstate or an island off the coast of New Zealand. He owns a house on the Isle of Skye. All of the worst stuff in these stories take place in locations where it would be hard for the women to flee. In some cases they didn't have cars and were driven to his location or he was their ride. That plus the age difference and the employment relationship with the nanny or the landlord-tenant relationship with the neighbor -- it's all very coercive. He clearly seems to have selected women who he thought would be more compliant because they have few other choices.

It's like how serial killers often target prostitutes because they tend to be easier marks plus everyone is happy to blame a prostitute for her own murderer. And yes that comparison is horrifying and I mean it to be. I don't think Gaiman's psychology is a whole lot different than a serial killer except he stopped short of murder -- perhaps too much to lose with his fame and fortune.[/quote]

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Two of the women were essentially homeless, and they knew that theyre housing situation was basically dependent on going along with Neil's "advances". One of the homeless women had children, so she was obviously worried about the kids being out on the street. There is something seriously, seriously depraved about a man who preys on HOMELESS WOMEN and forces them into sexual acts despite them repeatedly telling him no. It's absolutely disgusting and anyone trying to defend him on this needs to seriously question themselves. [/quote]

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