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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]What is a lower cost club?  I looked into my local NCAP and it was basically the same price after all the registration, fees, extras as the other clubs around- Machine, Marlins, York. Yes, AAC and RMSC are cheaper, but they don’t pay for lanes and are otherwise subsidized by the local governments, so not a fair comparison. [/quote]

NCAP is almost $4,000 for the season for 11-12, correct? Marlins is about $3,000 for a comparable training group. Marlins also has so many more options for training - we don't pay nearly $3,000 at 11-12 because we're only swimming twice a week. Is that even an option with NCAP? Like I said, my kid isn't elite. I don't have a beef with NCAP. I just think it's a jackhammer and most kids just need a regular hammer.[/quote]
[b]I have a high level NCAP 11-12 swimmer and we are paying a little over $4k and my swimmer practices 5-6 days a week.[/b] For the poster that mentioned ASA, we are paying roughly the same as we would at ASA (swimmer would be an NDG swimmer there). I do agree that if you have a swimmer who isn’t fully committed to swim as their primary sport and is only in the water a few days a week it is not worth it if you have the option to join a different club that is less expensive and/or has different practice options where cost is different depending on how many days a week you practice. [/quote]

A high level 11 year old should not be swimming 6 days a week.  Maybe if they have gone through puberty - maybe.  But that is well above the guidelines and asking for injury.

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Couldn’t agree more, but NCAP is concerned with immediate returns, not long term development [/quote]

It is their business model.  Points and burnout.[/quote]

You are so uninformed.  My 12 year old swims 6 days a week for NCAP.  A lot of dryland focused on core and shoulder mobility and low yardage….It is not the number of days you practice..it is the amount of yardage….

I am willing to bet there are many kids swimming way more yards than my kid who a practicing fewer days a week…and not racing nearly as fast[/quote]
+1, I’m the poster from earlier in the thread that prompted all of this debate over how many days a week my kid is in the water. I know the training my kid is doing and I fully trust the coaching staff. People are acting like my kid is in the water 2 hours a day doing 6000 yards or more with intervals that are unrealistic and that just isn’t the case. They are training appropriately for a swimmer of their age and ability. Is it more than the 12 year olds who aren’t committed to swim as their primary sport and aren’t as fast, sure, but that doesn’t make the training inappropriate. It’s what fits for them. [/quote]

What NCAP site are you at? 5,000 or 6,000 for time is a regular set at Prep for the age groupers. Turns into 8-10k for Gold 1,2 kids. [/quote]

It is not a regular set. Stop. That is factually untrue. It keeps getting repeated, but it is false.

I'm not going to go in to the other stuff that has been spread about NCAP Prep. Everyone can have their own opinion. Our experience has been positive. Kids have loved their coaches at Prep, they've made strong bonds with teammates and there have not been big issues within their cohort. Level of toxic behavior among parents and teammates (group chats, hangouts, etc) has been far lower at Prep in our experience than with other clubs and other team sports (basketball, softball/baseball, lax, etc.) I can't speak for experiences of families of older or younger kids. May be/have been much different.

I'm sure this post will be accused of "kool-aid drinking" or whatever, but its an honest experience for this family. There may well be kool-aid drinkers here. There are certainly trolls who look to distort things.

Ultimately, I would urge anyone looking to join any program to not rely on these anonymous message boards for your truth. In our experience, coaches at many programs have been very open to provide direct feedback on their programs and what the expectations are. Talk to your Summer coaches or parents of club swimmers at your Summer pool. People will give honest feedback on their experiences. You'll probably hear good and bad things about every club. But at least you can know where the feedback is coming from and weigh what agendas might be coming from.

This board has club owners posting, head coaches posting, group coaches posting, parents posting, swimmers posting, people who have no connection to anything posting. Take everything here with a grain of salt.

I hate myself more and more every time I come here. I really should stop. [/quote]

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