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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Our entire educational system has been dumbing things down over the past few decades. Lucy Calkins, an overreaction against homework (sure, extra work for it's own sake is not the same as rigor, but you can't have rigor without practice), and other pedagogical errors are showing their impacts at older grades.

In addition there are simply more kids with IEPs, 504s, behavioral issues, who are ESOL, and the like. This isn't a bad thing in and of itself, but all of it takes [b]time[/b] from teachers that could otherwise be used on educating.

But overall - think back 70 years. No one, and I do mean no one, was taking Calculus in your average public high school. In FCPS it's quite normal for many kids to take college level calculus. For decades our bar for what advanced looks like has gone up. Maybe it was always just due for a little regression?[/quote]

My children today are receiving a much higher quality education than I did from fcps back in the '80s. I think this faux nostalgia it's about a place that never existed.[/quote]

Well mine are receiving a worse education than I did in the '90s and '00s. [/quote]

I think the reason mine are doing so much is better is because we prioritize education. [/quote]

And your parents didn't?

I think education is a mixed bag.  We are definitely doing somethings better and some things worse.

In general I think where politics get involved we are doing things worse.  It happens from both sides.

The left want to censor books like Huckleberry Finn
The right wants to ban books that have any gay stuff in it..
The left wants to reduce the emphasis on math.
The right wants to rewrite history.
The left wants to eliminate measures of merit so we can pretend everyone is about the same.
The right wants to ignore the reasons why differences may exist.

You may not agree with all of those but if you only agree with the criticisms of the left or only criticisms of the right then you're probably not very objective about the issue of how politics has infiltrated education.[/quote]

False equivalence.

The left want to censor books like Huckleberry Finn
The right wants to ban books that have any gay stuff in it..
Censor is not the same as banning. Not making mandatory reading is not the same as removing a random book in the library.

The left wants to reduce the emphasis on math.
The right wants to rewrite history.
The left didn't want to rewrite the math to make 2+2=5, did they?  What is "rewrite history"?

The left wants to eliminate measures of merit so we can pretend everyone is about the same.
The right wants to ignore the reasons why differences may exist.
Affirmative action is not elimination of merit.  Please. 
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I said the elimination of the measures of merit.  Like testing.
Eliminating testing is a thing that the left wants to do.
They want to eliminate the measures of merit because there are extremely large disparities in test scores between groups and rather than address the underlying reason for these disparities, they would rather ignore them and pretend we have lifted everyone to a level playing field.[/quote]

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