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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Keep in mind these are not necessarily undergraduate rankings. They weigh graduate programs and research very highly. Hence schools like Berkeley and U Washington compete very well compared to their comparative undergraduate prestige in the US.[/quote]

Berkeley is top 10 in Forbes, WSJ, QS and Top 20 in USNews. It consistently has programs in top 5 in almost every subject. It is a large state school and still manages to do remarkably well in almost all rankings.[/quote]

PP, I agree, I’m not trying to slander Cal. As an institution it’s T10 in the country, I just think the undergrad program is a tick below its graduate programs.[/quote]

I am sick of these people saying these are more focused on the graduate programs. Maybe so but these schools are being evaluated as a whole institution including the undergraduate, graduate, professional schools, research programs etc.

If you want to focus on small classes and small campus size, go to the local community college - they offer small classes, small campus and they cost way less than some obscure SLACs.[/quote]

If a kid is looking at schools for undergrad, it is reasonable to question how important the reputation of the grad programs is.  Schools like Swarthmore and Harvey Mudd have no grad programs.  But the average student at Cal is not really better than the average student at Harvey Mudd or Swarthmore IMO.  Does Cal have better post-college outcomes?  Probably not on average.  Does Cal have more resources per undergrad student?  No, it is way behind Swarthmore…which is one of the richest schools in the country.

I have nothing against Cal.  It’s a great school and I would be very happy to send a kid there.  I’m just saying that these rankings ignore some schools that are really great for undergrad.[/quote]

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