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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Your husband is lying to you. Time theft is very easy to prove. They will have multiple people look over it as well. [b]You will not get to see all the evidence, but rest assured, it's there. 
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He likely has extremely poor work product and this is what they can fire him for instead. At home is your DH a super hard worker who is consistently on time? I doubt it.

Lastly, I saw a case of sexual harassment that was pretty egregious. The wife came after me at a restaurant several weeks later and told me how outrageous it was that her dh was fired for time fraud. I didn't say a word, but time fraud wasn't even investigated. He'd lied to his wife completely. [/quote]

That part isn't true, they have to provide in advance all of the evidence that they intend to introduce at the hearing.  Whatever else there is isn't really that relevant other than I suppose her DH will have a target on his back going forward if the proposed termination does not succeed.  It is also possible her DH is lying to her, she will probably never know if that is the case unless the hearing is virtual and she observes.[/quote]

This is not true with failed security reinvestigations. They are not obligated to provide any of the evidence to the employee or to the people making the personnel decision.[/quote]

Interesting re. Security Clearances. I’ve been a background check person several times over the years (they call me and ask questions about the person getting clearance) and for the past few years they have a blanket statement at the beginning saying everything I relate can be accessible to the person getting a clearance. As a result I end up choosing my words very carefully. [/quote]

As far as I know, you can always FOIA your background investigation file.  I have mine.[/quote]

Yep, me too.  I think PP is talking about the decision of the adjudicator.  Maybe one person says you're a corrupt AH and everyone else says you're great.  I don't think you're going to get information on how the adjudicator weighed the testimony of each person they interviewed.[/quote]

I’m talking about the evidence of my alleged wrongdoings — aka, the reason I failed my reinvestigation.

I asked for the evidence (ex: the emails I supposedly sent) and was told:

- I cannot see it

- my lawyer cannot see it

- the people who made the decision to put me on leave and ultimately fire me did not see it

I only saw a vague list that said things like “you sent an email about x topic that was deemed to contain confidential information.”

I also identified lies in the document they provided me. They accused me of calling myself a federal government employee to a local news outlet. That in itself wouldn’t have even been against the rules, but I didn’t even do that. I showed it to them in my appeals process and it made zero difference in their ultimate decision about me. [/quote]

former employment attorney here. I have seen what you are saying - the claim that an employee disclosed confidential information even when it was clearly untrue (like, put two disparate pieces of public information together in a way they claim became classified). Attorneys not allowed to see it. It was part of a broader effort to get rid of a troublesome employee. [/quote]

But I had absolutely stellar performance reviews. So I don’t know how I could have been seen as troublesome.[/quote]

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