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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Penn is not universally loved[/quote]

+1. My kids have a strong dislike for Penn. They think it has a toxic culture with cutthroat kids.[/quote]

Who TF cares what someone with no current students thinks?  I have one there now and one graduated, and another is at Princeton. All ivies are hard. All have a portion of over competitive people. Mine have all loved their schools and thrived in the intellectual environment: the competitive people are a small minority and it is typically people who are not quite academically up to par who act that way. I went to a non-ivy top10 and spouse was at a different ivy than kids: they called it “effortless perfection” in the 90s: the same idea as penn face, the “tradition” of acting fine on the outside while juggling a lot and gunning in classes. Mental health is far more validated and in the open than it was then. 
Penn and Princeton now have much more compassion and collaboration among peers than our schools did. The grades are also easier: Cs are rare and As are more common than Bs except for intros maybe. 
Lots of schools get hated on DCUM. Everytime it is “toxic” or “cutthroat” it is usually stated by folks whose kids did not get in. In middle and high school 2 of my 3 had serious issues with bullies and also some very dramatic cutthroat issues among the top 10%. Their ivies have been a breeze in comparison. People are actually nice to each other and real. [/quote]

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