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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]And there goes the low income students![/quote]

My guess is they will also be giving poor students a preference in admissions.
That is what MIT did and their pell grant students went from 20% to 24% of the entering class.[/quote]
I don't really see why this is any more a fair system. I get that poor people aren't a protected class, but it is ridiculous that we attempt to correct education at the finish line.[/quote]

This! All resources must be applied at the primary/secondary education levels. Admission to college should be on the same standard for everyone with minor exceptions for culturally ingrained BS like sports and legacy. Subsidize those that can't pay tuition but that shouldn't be a factor in admissions. [/quote]
I'm a big proponent of required AP/IB and SAT scores. Every time I bring this up, someone responds with "But not all underfunded schools provide AP coursework" 1) Okay and? How many poor students are going to elite colleges in the first place and 2) this is not a good defense as to why we should allow underprepared students into elite schools. They will be surrounded and trampled by students who all do well in standardized exams.[/quote]

LOL. Tell it to my spouse.

Grew up dirt poor, got good (but not elite) scores on standardized tests, accepted to HYPS.

First in family to attend college. While the spoiled rich kids (like me) were partying, they worked 3 jobs to pay for school and have $$$ to eat/live.

Def did NOT get "trampled by" students who did well on standardized exams.

In fact, they graduated at top of class, went on to top 5 grad school, became a nationally known expert in their field, and was eventually appointed to prominent national leadership position by BO.

I know multiple others from similar backgrounds with similar stories.

Bottom line: a lot of the poor kids are a whole lot smarter and hungrier than the wealthy kids who get it all handed to them on a silver platter.
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So he stole a spot from a student who could've gone further with their education. This doesn't impress me like you think it should. Getting into a top 5 grad school from an elite college is a given.[/quote]

You clearly miss the point.  His/her spouse was qualified, did well, was successful, contributed to society and did the school proud.  I think some of the folks here need to band together and either start Pompous U. or bombard a less selective university with apps and agree to all attend.  Make it their own for their beyond genius off-spring where slots aren't 'stolen' and education isn't sullied by the intellectually inferior. [/quote]

Their spouse would have done well and been successful regardless of where they went to school.

Also, why don't you run with that great idea of yours? Start a U (don't care what you call it), convince all smart have-nots to attend and turn that into an elite school over time?  [/quote]

As for spouse success and any school argument, [b]you could presumably say that about the tippy-top students,[/b] so then why the aversion to broaden the student body?  As for starting another school, Im not bothered by allowing for the "smart have-nots" have a piece of the pie.

"smart have-nots"....yeah, Pompous U. fits[/quote]

This has been repeated ad-nauseam on every thread. Simple concept - if you want society's handouts, don't expect 
Gucci. Start that Dumbass U.[/quote]

I appear to have struck a nerve. It is the colleges/universities that decide admissions.  You seem upset that some seem to hold values different from your own.  In all seriousness, families for whom providing opportunities to less resourced students is a sticking point can choose a different set of schools.  If mad at HPYS, stick it to them by applying elsewhere.[/quote]

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