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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Have you toured the top 20 schools in the last 2 years and actually noticed the students at these schools? Have you seen the kids on the tours with you? The demographic of top 20 schools has changed drastically. The kids attending skew nerdy and awkward. If you are more of a “smart, social kid that likes to party” type, the Ivy and Ivy+ are not that appealing — especially if you are already a part of the 1%. The top 20s used to be filled with kids like this, but those days are gone. [/quote]

my point is the majority of striving kids are ivy obsessed because their parents are - probably at least 75% of ivy applicants are born of parent obsession. Whether that starts at 4 with kindergarten interviews in NYC, or in 3rd grade with tiger mom jamming instrument lessons, the bulk of kids opinions are a direct correlation to and result of mom and dads subtle or direct influence.  Cmon what kid would legit want to go to Cornell over Vandy - it’s all parent influence over the years and an unconscious desire to pls mummy and daddy

You do realize that for many—literally tens of thousands of kids—they feel at home and love the nerdy skew of the ivy/ivy plus schools? And for them they do find them socially appealing? You make it sound as though no one really wants to go there and if they do they couldn’t possibly enjoy the place and be social? Social does not mean drinking and nothing else. Some students want a place they can have intellectual conversations and also be young and silly and have fun. If you had a kid where the schools were a fit, you would know it right away on tours. Their whole aura changes. They get there and love it despite all the hard work studying. You are correct the schools have changed—but they are a great fit for a subset of students. Some people are not chasing $ they are chasing fit. Already being top 1% or being a low income kid does not matter: they are chasing the same fit. [/quote][/quote]

sorry effed up post, dont do this much -here it is correctly

my point is the majority of striving kids are ivy obsessed because their parents are - probably at least 75% of ivy applicants are born of parent obsession. Whether that starts at 4 with kindergarten interviews in NYC, or in 3rd grade with tiger mom jamming instrument lessons, the bulk of kids opinions are a direct correlation to and result of mom and dads subtle or direct influence. Cmon what kid would legit want to go to Cornell over Vandy - it’s all parent influence over the years and an unconscious desire to pls mummy and daddy

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Sure there is a subset who only ivy-gun because of their parents, but there are brilliant kids who visit these places and find their people, who are from regular towns and cities not some prep-school nyc pipeline. As a parent of kids at these nerdy ivies dcum alternately reveres and trashes, they ARE social, and the nyc-pipeline/trust fund babies kids are a small minority. And some of them are wonderful nerds too.
They dress up for costume or frat/social group parties, they sometimes drink or some portions drink, they support those who do not.  They support each other's drive to study long hours and gun for A's, they cry with each other and go for ice cream when they "fail" a midterm or break up with their SO. Maybe they are not social compared to UGA, and for certain they spend a lot of time on intellectual pursuits in and outside the classroom, but that does not make them antisocial nerds who can barely speak publicly or lead a group. The ivy/+ schools are a dream come true for these kids--they often feel at home and able to be themselves in a way they were not able to in a typical high school. 
As to Cornell v Vandy, sure they are not that different as far as nerd% and who would pick Cornell?! kidding of course. Many students however pick Cornell or another ivy (or Swarthmore or Amherst) over their state school, often rightfully so as the environment is much better suited to their needs. [/quote]

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