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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote]  I went to UT. Frats hazed even after you were initiated. You’d see juniors come to class with wheel barrows and hoochie mama shorts, because they weren’t allowed pants and backpacks during the winter for whatever reason. Also college men see stupid, it doesn’t have to be hazing for someone to try to force you to do things while drunk.  [/quote]

Except that the discussion, and it's a serious one involving a fatality so we should treat it with the care it warrants, is about Dartmouth, not about UT and the (different, Southern) frat culture when you went there.   That's not how Dartmouth fraternities operate generally, and that's not how Dartmouth fraternities operate during sophomore summer.  Most people who drink to excess at Dartmouth do so by choice, not by coercion.  Individual fraternities may create an environment that fosters excessive drinking, and/or fail to protect the safety of members and guests, and for that the college will presumably hold them accountable.   And obviously authorities should look into any meaningful evidence of whether coercion was involved in this case.   But unless any comes to light, to blithely assert that excessive drinking at the deceased's fraternity inevitably involved "hazing" is sloppy, irresponsible and potentially libelous but for DCUM's cloak of anonymity.               [/quote]
Heavy drinking is largely a social phenomena from college environments and it being illegal for people under 21. It is, many times, social pressure that starts students heavily drinking even if they won't admit it.[/quote]

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