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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The point on Penn - it's a horrible campus for crime. I lived there one summer and gun shots were a regular occurrence as well as constant cat calling. Absolutely would not want my kid there.[/quote]

How old are you?  Is this an experience from this century?  I went to Penn in the 80s, and your description isn't accurate even for Penn 40 years ago!  Definitely not accurate now. [/quote]

DP.  Late last century (1998), I visited Wharton to look at the MBA program.  Campus felt somewhat unsafe.  I noticed mirrors had specifically been set up in the basement ladies' room to look around corners and there was a hardwired safety alarm button in the sink and stall area. That was just one of many clues that it wasn't a campus where I would feel comfortable.  Later that spring, a female MBA was horribly murdered by a stranger in her Center City apartment.  It took years for the police to solve the crime.

https://people.com/crime/shannon-schieber-troy-graves-people-magazine-investigates/

I'm mentioning this because PP threw 40 years out.  My experience is 25 years old but memory lasts a long time.  I'm parent age now and what I hear is that Penn is much better but there's still a bit of a safety island effect and there is still rough stuff nearby. I personally am reasonably aware of urban safety but I also value not having to think about it.  [b]I went to a different non-Philly urban school for undergrad and found that I had to plan ahead a lot to avoid walking alone at night. As a short woman, the risk of being targeted is much more concerning.[/b][/quote]

So...you have a problem with every urban school in every city in the USA.

Also, your example is of a person murdered in Center City Philadelphia who was an MBA student at Penn...are you implying the dangers of the Penn campus followed her to Center City...because those are two different neighborhoods entirely.[/quote]

PP. I didn't feel comfortable visiting the school itself. As I mentioned. Where grad students live was relevant to me at the time. And the police were not competent in expeditiously solving the crime.  You are correct that crime risk is a consideration for urban schools.  It is not the only consideration, but certainly is one.  Do you represent that Philadelphia has more effective policing today than in the past?[/quote]

Grad students most commonly live near campus—ie in University city , 1-3 blocks walkable to campus or in apartments directly adjacent. Med students often live on Pine or the woodlands—it has upgraded row houses with little front yards and is closer to the south end/med center area . Very gentrified. Rittenhouse in downtown philly is posh and expensive and takes longer to get to campus (unless you bike). Most grad students do not live there but that is definitely not a high crime area![/quote]

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