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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Also, your statement that Obama is a nice guy so he shouldn't be attacked...or we should feel bad about attacking him seems off base to me.

He may very well be an extremely nice guy, that doesn't mean he has been a good president or should be re-elected as president.  The vast majority of the attacks on Obama are things like his weak response to foreign policy, his health care plan, his handling of the economy.  These are attacking the job he is doing as president.

Romney by most accounts is a nice guy too.

They are campaigning for president...not for the role of guy invited to the neighborhood bbq.  And should be both praised and criticized for how they will do as president, not how swell of a fellow they are.

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OP here.  Not sure if you are the PP I was responding to or not.  Of course you should be able to attack him on policy if you don't agree with it.  That's my point though!  I am not really seeing any of that.  I am seeing vague and hateful rhetoric saying that Obamacare sucks, he hasn't helped the economy, etc., [b]but with no specifics that hold up[/b].  For example, the PP (you?) just made a bunch of false statements and then called him a bastard.  This is what I see and hear all the time.

So, I'm wondering if you consider the possibility that it's not true, and feel bad about the disrespectful and childish name-calling.[/quote]

I think saying obamacare sucks is a crude way of saying that you think that obamacare is bad for the country, while its not how I would word it, it's a statement in opposition to his policies, not a personal attack.

I believe that Obama has hurt, not helped the economy.  That isn't a disrespectful thing to say about the president. It isn't childish name calling (unlike the accusations of racism above). It is a comment on a legitimate policy issue. [/quote]

Not the OP, but I don't think that was OP's point.  See the bolded text -- OP's point is that people say "Obamacare sucks" and then have nothing to back up WHY they think Obamacare sucks.[/quote]

Well on the initial post she said "Do you feel kind of guilty that you have to resort to Obama bashing because you realize he is a nice guy (even if you don't agree with him)? " which is what I was referring to.

But I think that people often, especially on message boards use summary statements without all the backup discussion.  Also, I'll reiterate that I wouldn't use the wording Obamacare sucks, but I defend that it is a policy critique, not a critique that he is not a nice guy.

So, why do I think that Obamacare is bad for the country?  1) I think it's unconstitutional, I know that 5 justices disagreed with me, so it is law of the land, but I agree with the disenting 4 justices.  2) It dramatically increases the costs to companies to hire employees.  This results in hardship for both the companies and the people who are not hired as a result.   The people who are most likely to not be hired because of additional costs are those who are unskilled or new to the work force....the people who need a job the most.  3) It introduced a lot of uncertainty into the market during a tough economic time. It has been shows that increased uncertainty causes businesses to wait to hire or make capital investments.  4) I think it is unfair to young people who will be required to pay for insurance at rates that reflect not their risks but the risks of the entire population including the elderly that are much more likely to have high health care costs.  5)  I think that if you want to risk going without healthcare because you want to spend the money on rent/education/bus to work/clothing/food/books for your kids/small ceramic dolls of elvis  you should have that right.  I don't think that the government should force adults to make decisions, even if they make a poor decision. 6) Making government the single payer distorts the cost of health care and the free market for healthcare...although I ackowledge that this is already partially true in today's system.

There's more, but those are the first few. [/quote]

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