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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Grinnell and Oberlin are both good choices for bio with merit.
Reed is very good, but not much merit.
Ursinus has new bioscience facilities and very generous aid.[/quote]

+1  on Oberlin and Grinnell. [/quote]

Grinnell is very stingy with merit aid. Oberlin is may too low in terms of rigor, quality and overall ranking.

TBH with top 15 SLAC, merit aid is very elusive.[/quote]

What?  Oberlin has very well-regarded rigorous STEM programs. [/quote]
It does. But that person just doesn’t have any clue. [/quote]

Oh yes, agree, last year, Oberlin was ranked #39; this year, it dropped all the way down to #51.[/quote]

Wait until you see what happened to WM, NEU, Tulane, Wake…

If you believe in the rankings that take out things Oberlin excels in and USNWR stopped considering— like undergrad teaching and small class size— and don’t feel like these are important, you probably shouldn’t be looking at Oberlin.

Also, Oberlin always reports Arts & Sciences and the Conservatory together.  But Con kids may come in with lower stats (they aren’t being chosen primarily for SATs and GPA) and leave altogether without a degree or take breaks/leaves of absence  as professional opportunities present themselves. And the con’s starting salaries and employment outcomes stink. That’s being a professional musician for you.

For that matter, Oberlin’s starting salaries are low because the student body isn’t going into engineering or to Wall Street. It’s a much more public service oriented student body. And yet, this years class had 20 Fulbrights— more than many R1s, another large Peace Corp contingent, and a ton of kids heading to grad school— including science PhDs.

It depends on what you want. But Oberlin didn’t change in one year. USNWR rating system did.  And a focus on outcomes that doesn’t control for the Con or understand no one attends Oberlin to get a job on Wall Street is misplaced. Oberlin excels at what it does. Especially in STEM. [/quote]

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