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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Yes but men get more calories to work with than women.

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Big deal, that just means it is much more expensive to meet dietary guidelines for fiber as a man.  For women they recommend 25 grams. For men they recommend a whopping 38 grams. You need 50% more fiber per day as man than a woman.

Look at all of the fiber numbers quoted in foods.  They say raspberries are high in fiber, but have you looked at the serving size required to obtain those numbers?  They often are quoted in PER CUP of raspberries. Yeah, how much of the population can afford to eat a cup of raspberries everyday when that's like the entire package of the damn container that's running $4.99 every time?

It is way harder in terms of food consumption and cost to get up to 38 grams per day as a man. Fiber supplements it is. [/quote]

I agree that raspberries are prohibitively expensive. But dried beans and oats are ridiculously cheap and both great sources of fiber. [/quote]

Yes, but you're missing the point.  To get just 8 grams of fiber from moats, you need to eat an entire cup of dried oats.  Have you ever eaten that much oats after they're cooked? It is a gargantuan amount of tasteless, bland oats.  Then you'd have to add and entire apple and two table spoons of chia seeds just to get to about 15-18 g of fiber.

And that's just breakfast.  For lunch you'd have to eat half a cup of black beans, some fruit, and then a salad just to get to about 25-28 g of fiber. Now for dinner you need even more beans and lentils, veggies, and perhaps even more fruit to make it to 35 grams of fiber.

So when are you supposed to eat actual protein and have room for it that isn't coming from lentils or beans?  All of the above stuff is massively filling.  It's just not sustainable to eat such horribly bland food allllll the time day and day out just to meet the minimum 35 grams of fiber recommended per day.  There is a limit to how much flavorless oats cooked in water that I can take for days in a row.  I think I'd rather die of a heart attack at 68 than eat a full cup of dry oats and beans every single day of my existence but so I can meet the minimum recommended for fiber.

Give me the damn supplement. I might as well eat wood like a termite, because that seems more efficient than eating all do the other bland foods. [/quote]

Most Americans eat FAR more protein than they need, we are protein obsessed. You can get all you need from a plant based diet if you choose the right foods. Getting tons of protein from animal products drives weight gain - protein intake more than necessary is stored as fat - and strains the kidneys to boot.

Beans are a terrific source of protein, the primary source for most of the human population. Try eating a cup or more of beans every day for a month and see how it changes the game for your gut and overall health. Take some meat out of your diet to make room for the fiber optimal health requires.

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I’m not a huge oats fan except in granola, but beans are delicious and the furthest thing from bland unless you don’t know how to use spices. You should fix that because tons of spices are very healthful, they are also plants and they feed a healthy gut biome in addition to making plants very tasty.

But I’ll be honest, if you eat a typical saturated fat/animal product heavy American diet, you’ll need some palate resetting before you start to crave produce the way I do now. But it’s worth the effort to change how you eat, the results are not just terrific healthy bowel function but all the myriad improvements to health that fiber consumption brings.[/quote]

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