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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]people come in their 40s and decide (once it's apparent their kids can't get into the same schools they did), "those schools are so OVER"

meanwhile, those grads are more diverse than ever, more on FA, less privileged, have more work experience coming into college than a generation before, and (pre this TO blip) scored higher on every metric.

plenty of us thought the Yalies (etc) from the class of 1995 were arrogant blowhards. but these kids? I'd take them every day over the previous model of an Ivy League grad[/quote]

+1[/quote]

Silver is a gay man who does not have children although he is in a committed relationship. But at age 46 I doubt kids are in his future. In other words, he doesn't have a stake in future college admissions.

Unfortunately for the rest of that comment, the Harvard lawsuit revealed a great deal of juicy data about admissions as well as student demographics. The Ivy League schools are much more dimorphic today than 20 or 30 years ago, increasingly a story of either full pay wealthy students from connected families or full financial aid kids meeting the diversity targets (first gen/racial minorities etc). Silver touched on this to some extent in his post and there's also been conversations in quieter areas about the outcomes of this pattern. One certainly is whether the extensive diversity outreach is translating into the same caliber of graduates as previous generations. I'd politely agree the jury is still out but there's also anecdotal experiences and observations that the answer is probably no. One of the more interesting commentaries I did read during the summer of 2020 was about the frustrations of many minority elite college graduates once they hit the real world, whether post college or post law school, and couldn't figure out why they weren't succeeding the way their white or Asian classmates were, and how this frustration helped fuel the BLM movement and the sudden focus on "systematic" racism rather than blatant racism. This phenomena can also be considered part of the "elite overproduction," a real life social phenomena that has been studied in various societies and typically with not very good outcomes.

Interestingly enough, a number of the elite colleges recently shifted back to test required rather than optional, which was telling it its own way. [/quote]

Wow,  your bias is showing,  much as you'd like to disguise it in academic sounding syntax.

Also,  your "dimorphic" claim is not accurate to current experience.  Many MC/UMC students at Ivies are on partial FA. 20-30 years ago, financial aid wasn't great for anyone and not enough for most high need students to actually attend. So, now aid is better (for all tiers), you want to question the quality of the small percentage of URM students tacitly linking them to "poor" status and somehow a dubious student caliber. SMH. The lengths people will go to to justify racism and classism.[/quote]

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